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00:20:46 <Ashenzari> Can't zap wand or use ranged spell (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1741) by nubinia
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01:51:16 <Ashenzari> Section of wall not appearing in floor layout. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1742) by Seriyu
01:56:17 <Ashenzari> Fedas Kobolds don't autopickup fruit (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1743) by Happylisk
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03:02:33 <ortoslon> due: please update windows builds
03:03:41 * due does so
03:03:52 <ortoslon> :D
03:12:34 <due> non-tiles done
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03:19:16 <due> and tilies done
03:19:17 * due goes
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04:17:02 <Napkin> Good morning
04:17:23 <due> hey napking
04:17:26 <due> my dvd is scratched
04:17:42 <Napkin> hi due :)
04:23:45 <pineapple> dvd?
04:42:15 <Ashenzari> [TILES] Full describe view is unable to handle neutral monsters (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1744) by xale
05:00:10 <KiloByte> Napkin: my build environment causes Windows binaries to crash on death.  I'm not sure how uploading 0.6.1 to SF will turn out, but it may be nice to have them in case it's dpeg not eino who finally does it.
05:01:07 <Napkin> so you would like me to build them?
05:01:45 <Napkin> i will have a look how the 0.6 was done and then try to build some zips
05:01:50 <Napkin> after breakfast :)
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05:56:15 <ortoslon> why are javelins colored red in the quiver now?
06:00:05 <KiloByte> weren't they already?
06:00:10 <KiloByte> that's their natural colour
06:00:55 <KiloByte> of course, using the glyph colour for HUD display seems pointless, but that's another matter
06:04:05 <Napkin> KiloByte, could you check the console version for crash? http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/stone_soup-0.6.1-win32.zip
06:04:58 <ortoslon> does Axes skill affect throwing of hand axes?
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06:08:08 <Napkin> tiles ready too, KiloByte. please let me know if they are usable: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/stone_soup-0.6.1-tiles-win32.zip
06:19:11 <KiloByte> Napkin: no crash in either build.  Neither on save, nor on death (these were the two places which I remember to cause crashes in some builds).
06:19:32 <Napkin> yes, me too
06:19:59 <Napkin> is the zip layout and the naming correct?
06:20:18 <Napkin> I'll leave those zips there for as long as you need
06:22:46 <KiloByte> the dir name inside the zip is a bit clunky for a stable release (at least, that -0 after the version number), but 0.6.0 builds had that too
06:25:16 <Napkin> yeah, tried to reflect that
06:25:30 <Napkin> folder name is "stone_soup" though instead of "crawl"
06:25:40 <Napkin> only realized that afterwards
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07:49:38 <Ashenzari> Starting on a Rock Wall as a DSCk (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1745) by Amonchakad
07:54:40 <Ashenzari> Your active ballistomycete is too close now for your liking. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1746) by qui
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08:15:59 <dpeg> Good day!
08:19:26 <greensnark> Guten Tag
08:20:45 <dpeg> Konnichi-wa
08:39:21 <KiloByte> screw human languages, use what higher life forms do
08:39:21 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r2b4e4f9f2572 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc abyss.h files.cc): [1745] Fix PC not starting at abyss centre when visiting the abyss.
08:39:49 <KiloByte> but bad ugly human can assign different spellings even to that: meow, miau, mia艂, 屑褟褍, ...
08:40:37 <greensnark> Miaow is the one true form
08:40:50 * greensnark mrrowls.
08:41:22 <greensnark> We seem to have a never-ending supply of new bugs
08:47:49 <KiloByte> dpeg: could you either upload the files for 0.6.1 to SF, or at least give the permission to do so to someone?  Like, Napkin, whom everyone suspect of having that right :p
08:48:26 <Napkin> nooooooo
08:48:42 <Napkin> don't ruin my plan to never have to deal with SF again ;-P
08:48:49 <KiloByte> ah right
08:49:03 <greensnark> dpeg: Can we make ^G == Esc in prompts? :P
08:49:26 <KiloByte> if so, what's the bandwidth used by crawl's downloads?
08:50:07 <greensnark> Probably not incredibly high
08:50:14 <greensnark> Is Napkin offering to host them? :)
08:50:28 <Napkin> hey - you have more free traffic than me now, greensnark ;)
08:50:39 <greensnark> :P
08:50:40 <KiloByte> there are stats on SF
08:50:44 <KiloByte> AFK, food, though
08:51:02 <Napkin> but yes, sure
08:51:21 <Napkin> we can still move it to your server in case of emergency, greensnark?
08:52:35 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/release/
08:57:36 <greensnark> Napkin: Sure
08:58:27 <greensnark> Is it my imagination or are there some 30 duplicated case blocks for butchery/bottle/drink prompts :P
08:59:26 <KiloByte> it would be a waste to do something costly (bandwidth) which is a mindless task that SF does well
09:01:37 <Napkin> true
09:02:08 <Napkin> trunk downloads take around 40gb a month only though
09:02:28 <KiloByte> yearly average: 11500 downloads per month
09:02:37 <KiloByte> that's stable
09:04:25 <Napkin> considering greensnark has (shared) 5120gb a month and I have 2560gb a month..
09:04:47 <Napkin> that would be roughly 70gb average a month for stable downloads
09:05:19 <bhaak> Napkin: the newish sf files management web tool is not that bad :-)
09:05:23 <Napkin> so.. until someone uploads it, i'm fine with with hosting it
09:05:25 <KiloByte> still, right now it takes exactly 0
09:05:41 <Napkin> hi bhaak
09:05:55 <KiloByte> except that someone needs to actually upload stuff
09:06:03 <Napkin> i have exactly 0 permissions in SF - and i won't complain if it stays that way ;)
09:06:42 <KiloByte> speaking of which, dpeg...  upload or grant permissions, and if not, I'll keep bothering you! :p
09:06:51 <bhaak> FR: "give Napkin sf permissions" would that be an enhancement or a feature? :)
09:06:57 <KiloByte> !seen Keskitalo
09:07:07 <Napkin> oooow, you mean guy, bhaak :-P
09:07:21 <Henzell> I last saw Keskitalo at Tue Jun  8 20:06:55 2010 UTC (4d 18h 26s ago) saying larasium: Ctrl+X is handy for that. on ##crawl.
09:07:30 <KiloByte> it doesn't matter who gets the permission, really.
09:08:07 <bhaak> Napkin: I'm doing nethack programming, what do you expect? :-D
09:09:26 <Napkin> you mean.. grant access on /dev/random? ;)
09:10:14 <Napkin> will greensnark build the macosx packages?
09:10:25 * Napkin innocently tries to shift the discussion *
09:10:29 <Napkin> :>
09:10:32 <greensnark> Hm?
09:10:36 <greensnark> Oh, neunon gets to do that
09:10:50 <greensnark> Last time I tried I had to take a hacksaw to the Xcode project and it wasn't pretty
09:10:58 <Napkin> hehehe
09:11:36 <greensnark> What happened to dpeg anyway
09:11:55 <Napkin> don't tell me he's watching soccer?!
09:12:10 <greensnark> What game's on today?
09:12:16 <KiloByte> it's worse, try to load the MSVC project and it will barf about a number of things like "migrating IIS settings" that are absolutely mandatory and won't even load it
09:12:20 <greensnark> I usually wait until further along in the World Cup to start watching :P
09:12:33 <KiloByte> both in MSVC08 and 10.
09:12:38 <greensnark> Although I couldn't escape the 300 youtube clips of Green fumbling the save yesterday :P
09:12:40 <Napkin> germany plays today, but much later
09:13:14 <greensnark> KiloByte: Migrating IIS settings?
09:13:21 <greensnark> How on earth is IIS involved in Crawl :)
09:13:28 <Napkin> nice one :D
09:13:44 <Napkin> will gnome be dependency of crawl soon too?
09:13:52 <greensnark> Napkin: Well, pkg_config is :P
09:14:06 <Napkin> highway to hell!
09:14:25 <bhaak> as if you can't watching soccer AND talking on irc AND giving Napkin sf permissions!
09:14:37 <bhaak> I'm quite content with autoconf :)
09:14:56 <KiloByte> well, if Napkin refuses, give them to greensnark or bhaak :p
09:15:15 <Napkin> i believe greensnark has it already, don't you, darshan?!
09:15:23 <greensnark> Sssh! :P
09:15:26 <Napkin> he's just keeping a low profile ;-P
09:15:29 <greensnark> Yeah, I have file release permission
09:15:38 <greensnark> But it's a past-tense thing :)
09:15:48 <bhaak> I don't think you can trust me
09:15:48 <greensnark> I didn't have it last time I checked
09:16:04 <bhaak> I could upload unnethack or nethack-de instead of crawl 6.1  :-)
09:16:21 <greensnark> bhaak: Nobody would notice anyway
09:16:43 <greensnark> Now if you uploaded Finnish NH, people might notice
09:17:01 <KiloByte> greensnark: the source packages are on http://angband.pl/tmp/0.6.1/ -- or check out the tag and "make package-source" yourself
09:17:03 <Napkin> has anyone begged due or doy or kilobyte yet to write the wordpress announcement? :>
09:17:18 <greensnark> KiloByte: I don't have file release permissions currently
09:17:35 <greensnark> Let me check again
09:17:59 <bhaak> greensnark: finnish NH would be easy, just scramble the messages in the output routines. nobody would notice, even the finnish people would just think it's a strange dialect :)
09:18:16 <KiloByte> it's just "several nasty bugs were fixed, like vampiric autoswap".
09:18:46 <Adeon> not true!
09:19:09 <greensnark> Oh hey, I have file manager permission :P
09:19:15 <Napkin> haha! :-P
09:19:21 <Napkin> !coffee greensnark
09:19:21 * Henzell hands greensnark a mug of cappuccino, brewed by Snorg.
09:19:23 <Adeon> finnish is the easiest and most beautiful language on earth!!
09:19:59 <greensnark> Easiest to recognise, certainly
09:20:09 <greensnark> Just look for a long train of consonants welded together
09:20:21 * Napkin giggles *
09:20:27 <bhaak> long words and umlauts -> German
09:20:52 <bhaak> longs words and umlauts but no 脽 -> Finnish
09:20:56 <greensnark> Well, last time there was the long word competition the Finns had some examples that actually wrapped around in my terminal :P
09:21:06 <greensnark> And I use 125x60 for IRC :P
09:21:10 <Napkin> rofl
09:21:48 <dpeg> What is the easiest way to print a message in some colour?
09:21:56 <greensnark> dpeg is here
09:22:01 <dpeg> jpeg too!
09:22:07 <greensnark> dpeg: How about giving file manager permissions to KiloByte for 0.6.1
09:22:07 <Napkin> hey!
09:22:15 <dpeg> greensnark: will do
09:22:17 <greensnark> dpeg: That will save me having to wade through SF again
09:22:28 <dpeg> But ^ first!
09:23:02 <dpeg> There must be something other than just channels.
09:23:24 <KiloByte> ...
09:23:28 <bhaak> dpeg: give jpeg a 'hi' from me. I'm still waiting for a mail response from her :-D
09:24:04 <felirx> <color></color> should work with the print commands
09:24:04 <greensnark> dpeg: Using tagged strings, I guess?
09:24:19 <dpeg> greensnark: We're using mpr right now.
09:24:40 <dpeg> The point is just to print the first two messages in a new game in a colour other than grey. Nothing fancy.
09:25:24 <dpeg> mpr(<yellow>"You'll die!"</yellow>); will do?
09:26:48 <greensnark> Yes
09:27:52 <greensnark> Hm, the file release page is a lot cleaner than the old SF
09:28:07 <greensnark> dpeg: File manager permissions to KiloByte si vous voulez already kthxbai
09:29:14 <dpeg> bai?
09:29:16 <KiloByte> greensnark: just upload the crap and you're off the hook until the next point release :p
09:30:18 <greensnark> KiloByte: I'm doing it now, but if I don't force dpeg to do this now, who knows what will happen next point release :P
09:30:33 <dpeg> five minutes, folks
09:30:42 <dpeg> This damn gcc is so misbehaving.
09:31:22 <KiloByte> what's the problem?
09:31:44 <dpeg> ignorance, stupidity, amnesia, impotence
09:32:50 * KiloByte was always a firm believer in laziness.
09:36:11 <Napkin> the "Add 3130 gp Ziggurat to shopping list? (y/N)"-message is shown before the ziggurat comes into LOS
09:38:06 <CIA-39> 03dpeg * rebf9c8951611 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: A single line message explaining the game's objective.
09:38:19 <greensnark> What, there's an objective? :P
09:38:36 <greensnark> "Go ye forth and plunder ye ye orbe of zotte from ye dungeonne?"
09:39:26 * KiloByte REALLY likes that line.
09:40:53 <greensnark> KiloByte: Do the tarballs include release date in changelog?
09:40:54 <dpeg> il n'y a pas de file manager permissions
09:41:21 <Napkin> in docs/changelog.txt yes, greensnark
09:41:26 <dpeg> Make a Project Admin / Allow access to shell server group space (i.e. web space)
09:41:29 <greensnark> Ok, cool
09:41:35 <Napkin> the one I put in every tarball
09:41:38 <dpeg> Release Technician
09:41:42 <dpeg> What do you need?
09:41:44 <Napkin> probably not standard
09:41:45 <greensnark> dpeg: Release technician sounds like it
09:42:08 <dpeg> greensnark: you are free to add more lines, of course.
09:42:37 <greensnark> dpeg: No, I'm fine :P
09:42:47 <dpeg> KiloByte: you should have them now!
09:42:55 <greensnark> As long as we don't get an essay involving Marduk the Creator, we're good :P
09:43:17 <dpeg> greensnark: yes, I was very firm on having a single line, as opposed to a single screen of text.
09:43:23 <dpeg> bhaak: take note! :)
09:43:40 <greensnark> bhaak is Swiss, he is probably trying to add more text there
09:43:52 <dpeg> <3
09:44:18 <dpeg> jpeg pointed out that it would be good to have something, so we figured that one line is a good compromise.
09:44:22 <dpeg> "Go out and kill tonight!"
09:45:24 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r16b77eb5037d 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: When checking whether corpses are useless, check Yred penance.
09:46:33 <greensnark> Silly SF throws up a Javascript popup saying "Uploading file" forever, even when the file is a tiny text file
09:46:51 <greensnark> There should be a nice way to scp files in
09:46:52 <Napkin> aren't you using internet explorer, greensnark ? ;>
09:47:16 * greensnark slaps Napkin with a trout.
09:47:21 * Napkin hides *
09:48:20 <dpeg> greensnark: are you using rainbow trouts?
09:48:23 <dpeg> Nemelex would be happy.
09:48:39 <greensnark> Any manner of trout that is at hand
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09:59:20 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * r38a3ab01c534 10/crawl-ref/ (INSTALL.txt source/initfile.cc source/makefile): Allow private save dirs (SAVEDIR=~/.crawl/) (JoachimSchipper)
10:02:24 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r1575d82cc5a4 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Add spacing fix.
10:04:09 <greensnark> SF is flaking out big time
10:04:24 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r6255dafc92c2 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: [1569] Reprint targeting prompt if move_is_ok() returned false.
10:04:25 <greensnark> This is my third attempt to upload the bloody source zip :P
10:04:30 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rcf3bc5c2d776 10/crawl-ref/source/ (28 files): Make ^G equivalent to Escape in all prompts for the Emacs users out there (yours truly included).
10:04:37 <Napkin> A demonic plant :-O
10:04:46 <greensnark> A demonic plant?
10:04:54 <greensnark> You mean a helloklob? :P
10:05:05 <Napkin> peaceful - so far ;)
10:05:11 <greensnark> Oh, must be a vault
10:05:23 <Napkin> inside temple at entrance
10:05:38 <greensnark> "Your file is currently being uploaded, please wait" Why no, I am so not tired of seeing that silly message :P
10:06:46 <Napkin> erm.. a shaft just opened right below my feet?
10:07:16 <Napkin> is that a new feature?
10:08:17 <Napkin> i've been standing on that spot for... 20 turns or something, entrance corridor to a kobold vault
10:08:29 <greensnark> !lm Napkin -tv
10:08:31 <Henzell> 1133. Napkin, XL8 MfCr, T:10231 (milestone) requested for FooTV.
10:08:39 <greensnark> I hope you aren't using your HD terminal :P
10:08:50 <Napkin> not toooooo big
10:08:51 <Napkin> 100x30
10:09:01 <greensnark> Oh, that's not even 360p :P
10:09:09 <Napkin> see! :-P
10:09:19 <Napkin> I stepped off that throne ;)
10:09:39 <Napkin> maybe caused by the spear of chaos i'm using?
10:09:48 <Napkin> or a gift from Yred?
10:09:52 <greensnark> Napkin: Interesting
10:09:57 <greensnark> Does chaos cause that?
10:10:15 <greensnark> !lm Napkin -tv:<0.3
10:10:15 <Henzell> 1133. Napkin, XL8 MfCr, T:10231 (milestone) requested for FooTV.
10:10:29 <Napkin> i've been using that spear since.. 3 or 4 dungeon levels
10:10:36 <Napkin> first time it happened
10:12:25 <Napkin> there were kobolds on that spot before.. no shaft
10:12:39 <Napkin> then my zombie stepped there and i switched places with it
10:12:50 <Napkin> no message about a shaft or anything
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10:13:08 <DrPraetor> So - any suggestions for stuff on which I can profitably work?
10:13:29 <Napkin> ---
10:13:31 <Napkin> You puncture the big kobold!
10:13:31 <Napkin> You kill the big kobold!
10:13:33 <Napkin> Yredelemnul accepts your kill.
10:13:36 <Napkin> A short sword falls through the shaft.
10:13:38 <Napkin> You fall through a shaft!
10:13:41 <Napkin> The shaft crumbles and collapses.
10:13:43 <Napkin> Your mindless thrall stays behind.
10:13:46 <Napkin> ---
10:13:51 <Napkin> no short sword at my landing point in D9, btw
10:13:56 <greensnark> Hm, an already discovered shaft?
10:14:18 <Napkin> it wasn't discovered, i double checked the message log
10:14:25 <pointless_> DrPraetor: No one will pay you, sorry
10:15:07 <greensnark> Napkin: Can you file a bug?
10:15:18 <greensnark> Or can chaos move traps around
10:15:23 <greensnark> I don't know much about chaos
10:15:55 <greensnark> !lm Napkin x=god
10:15:56 <Henzell> 1133. [2010-06-13] [god=Yredelemnul] Napkin the Poker (L8 MfCr) fell down a shaft to D:9 on turn 10231. (D:7)
10:17:42 <greensnark> KiloByte: All uploaded finally
10:20:05 <DrPraetor> Profit is not only money!  Is there anything by which laboring on the thing, I might profit my *soul*!
10:21:14 <greensnark> Souls don't exist :P
10:21:19 <pointless_> I always thought we were in the business of corrupting souls
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10:21:25 <greensnark> So you're looking for nonexistent profits? :P
10:21:51 <pointless_> I think we are releasing 0.7 some time, so looking through bug reports would be useful
10:21:58 <greensnark> pointless_: That's just one or two of our less salubrious gods
10:22:03 <bhaak> greensnark: I replaced Marduk the Creator with random gods and players were puzzling what significance that had. I'm 100% sure that they never wondered what significance Marduk had in vanilla :)
10:22:05 <pointless_> I see
10:22:33 <greensnark> bhaak: Oh, I never noticed, I always page past the here-be-your-mission text :)
10:22:38 <greensnark> Without reading it, I mean
10:22:40 <Napkin> done, greensnark
10:22:52 <greensnark> bhaak: You should put in some Zen koans there just to check how many people read it
10:22:55 <Napkin> savegame won't help.. would it?
10:23:00 <greensnark> Napkin: It would!
10:23:11 <greensnark> Well, it might
10:23:16 <Napkin> roger
10:23:23 <bhaak> greensnark: I was surprised that people noticed it at all
10:23:28 <DrPraetor> Gah, I feel like my head is stuffed with cloth today.
10:23:37 <greensnark> !coffee DrPraetor
10:23:37 * Henzell hands DrPraetor a pot of caf� au lait, brewed by Nikola.
10:24:02 <Napkin> there you go: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1747
10:24:28 <greensnark> !lm Napkin
10:24:28 <Henzell> 1133. [2010-06-13] Napkin the Poker (L8 MfCr) fell down a shaft to D:9 on turn 10231. (D:7)
10:25:30 <Ashenzari> Unexpected shaft trap opened right below my feet after quite a while (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1747) by Napkin
10:27:35 <DrPraetor> Dammit, I was gonna look into this shaft bug but the work machine with git is down :(
10:29:25 <greensnark> KiloByte: Could you create a release post for 0.6.1 on cdo wordpress? :)
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10:31:23 <CIA-39> 03pointless_ * r363511407ebd 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Always consider fruit useful to Fedhas worshipers
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10:32:29 <KiloByte> greensnark: that would be mostly copypasta of by's changelog entry
10:33:01 <greensnark> KiloByte: You could add a Zen koan or two for flavour
10:33:25 <bhaak> greensnark: re zen, you should play on un.nethack.nu next time with OPTIONS=conducts:+blindfolded
10:34:08 <dpeg> back
10:34:17 <greensnark> bhaak: NH Zen is too painful :P
10:34:56 <greensnark> Last time I played Un I knew I should be good and curse-test and wear the dwarf gear to find the best enchanted, but I am not that patient :P
10:35:11 <greensnark> Just as I knew I should spend some time price-iding stuff in shops, and I'm totally not that patient :P
10:35:13 <DrPraetor> ... What us Un?
10:35:23 <greensnark> I used to be able to do it, but Crawl has spoiled me rotten :/
10:35:31 <greensnark> DrPraetor: UnNetHack
10:36:46 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r50a4ad6ae595 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Define key_is_escape in terms of CASE_ESCAPE to reduce duplication.
10:38:21 <DrPraetor> dpeg - is this actually uptodate status of things? https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.7_features
10:40:30 <dpeg> greensnark: most probably not, but let me have a closer look
10:40:49 <greensnark> DrPraetor: most probably not, but he's having a closer look :P
10:41:31 <dpeg> erm, sorry :)
10:42:44 * bhaak is wondering where he could find roguelike zen koans
10:43:08 <bhaak> currently, when you take off that blindfold, only some Z,e and n monsters are generated
10:43:23 <dpeg> There's one thing I'd really like to have, and that's not on the list: rob has a proposal and code to improve the timers for timed portal vaults. There was one bit missing (something with messages and lua iirc) which kept him from committing this patch.
10:44:04 <Napkin> btw, anyone got any problems with the ssl certificate I installed on crawl.develz.org?
10:46:12 <Zaba> verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
10:47:07 <DrPraetor> Ooh, I want that patch too.  Only holdup is message coloring or channel or something else stupid?
10:47:24 <DrPraetor> Not that rob is stupid :)
10:47:32 <Napkin> what browser, Zaba?
10:47:38 <DrPraetor> But anything that *interferes* with Rob, that is stupid.
10:47:40 <Zaba> openssl s_client
10:47:52 <Napkin> your openssl is a bit outdated then?
10:47:58 <DrPraetor> bhaak - instead of koans, use nietzche quotes.
10:48:10 <Zaba> well, apparently my system just doesn't trust your certificate authority
10:48:11 <Napkin> because the chain is fine with most browsers
10:48:18 <DrPraetor> bhaak - http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/perm.php?c=36&q=107
10:48:46 <Napkin> StartCom CA is usually delivered with every browser
10:49:14 <Zaba> a newer version of ca-certificates seems to have it
10:49:21 <Napkin> great :)
10:49:24 <Zaba> oddly, so does mine
10:49:31 <bhaak> 'Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood.' fits nethack :-)
10:49:42 <Napkin> it has an intermediate server ca in the chain
10:49:54 <Napkin> maybe some option to allow following it in openssl's s_client?
10:50:34 <Zaba> well, I don't think it's a problem, anyway
10:50:39 <Zaba> w3m, for instance, doesn't complain
10:50:49 <Napkin> must be some setting then
10:51:30 <Napkin> thanks for info, Zaba
10:51:42 <dpeg> DrPraetor: would be cool to upload the player/random gods stuff to the wiki.
10:51:48 <bhaak> DrPraetor: nietzsche would make one hell of a twitterer today
10:51:57 <Zaba> hm, there's only one spider nest vault?
10:52:02 <dpeg> Zaba: yes
10:52:07 <dpeg> What chance does it have, btw?
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10:53:45 <dpeg> Hey, don't run away!
10:53:56 <syllogism> yes Chaos brand can create a shaft trap under the player
10:54:02 <dpeg> !tell DrPraetor Flight is not an option! You can run but you cannot hide.
10:54:02 <Henzell> dpeg: OK, I'll let DrPraetor know.
10:59:05 <Napkin> seriously, syllogism?
10:59:08 <Napkin> w.t.f.
10:59:46 <Zaba> hmm?
11:12:33 <greensnark> Chaos is weird :P
11:12:47 <greensnark> I didn't even bother checking because I was convinced that shaft traps were too weird an effect for chaos :P
11:15:09 <dpeg> Nothing should be too weird for chaos.
11:18:20 <greensnark> I don't particularly like the chaos brand in general
11:18:35 <greensnark> It's a big grab bag of unrelated effects, and we already have Xom for that
11:19:26 <greensnark> It does produce amusing results in combat though, I'll give it that
11:19:35 <dpeg> greensnark: yes, I know. But I think it's okay because monsters may use it against the player.
11:19:50 <greensnark> Yeah, it's nice for Crazy Yiuf for instance
11:20:13 <greensnark> Btw, Crazy Yiuf's cottage makes it too easy for the player to control the terms of engagement :P
11:20:38 <greensnark> He should have a few more cottage variants which are harder to spot from a mile away
11:23:40 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.6 * rada0dfedbf1b 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Add the release date for 0.6.1 to the changelog.
11:26:43 <dpeg> greensnark: okay!
11:29:24 <greensnark> So if nobody wants to make the 0.6.1 post on wordpress I guess I have to
11:30:29 <greensnark> Oh hey, KiloByte did
11:30:57 <greensnark> KiloByte: Shouldn't you mark that as a news post?
11:32:07 <dpeg> greensnark: I've been pretty short on time. I will make a "what's to expect from 0.7" news post in a week or so (as to not detract from the 0.6.1 post).
11:32:55 <greensnark> dpeg: You can make it whenever, 0.6.1 is just a bugfix release
11:34:15 <dpeg> alright
11:34:25 <KiloByte> the only remarkable ones are insta-starvation on vampiric swap and the infinite portals one
11:35:08 <KiloByte> but somehow the only people who exploited X[ on CDO did it on trunk
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11:39:19 <bhaak> hmm, still no automatic wordpress post announcement in here. I'm almost tempted to get unrodney over here if it didn't have problems with wordpress rss feeds :)
11:41:24 <dpeg> bhaak: you can do this in #unnethack?
11:43:32 <bhaak> dpeg: I already have the crawl news feed on private msg, but as I said, it has some problems with wordpress rss feeds. I haven't found out why but it always gets the new posts several hours later even though it fetches the feed. It just gets an old version. This also happen with the unnethack blog rss feed.
11:44:08 <dpeg> bhaak: did you talk to Napkin about this?
11:44:43 * greensnark prepares to upgrade CAO to 0.6.1
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11:46:05 <bhaak> dpeg: it doesn't seem to be a bug with your wordpress installation. rather with the bot I'm using. the same behavior occurs with other wordpress feed
11:46:27 <DrPraetor> I bought too many groceries.
11:46:27 <Henzell> DrPraetor: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:46:30 <Napkin> maybe it's some cache problem
11:46:30 <DrPraetor> !messages
11:46:47 <Napkin> the feed sends the cache instead of updating
11:47:05 <Henzell> (1/1) dpeg said (53m ago): Flight is not an option! You can run but you cannot hide.
11:47:26 <dpeg> bhaak: would be nice to have it available from here, sure.
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11:48:52 <dpeg> DrPraetor: just a joke b/c you left immediately after my reply :)
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11:50:19 <Textmode> morning all
11:50:29 <dpeg> Hi
11:50:59 <Ashenzari> [TILES} Mini-map is out of sync (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1748) by xale
11:55:55 <dpeg> I lose half of my vault-fu after not doing any vaultwork for two months.
12:00:29 <greensnark> So they renamed PLT Scheme to Racket, did they
12:06:04 <Ashenzari> [TILES] The mini-map is not repainted when exclusions are cleared (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1749) by xale
12:10:44 <greensnark> CAO upgraded to 0.6.1
12:11:34 <dpeg> Thank you.
12:11:49 <casmith789> 0.6.1 is what? bugfixes?
12:12:29 <bhaak> casmith789: yes, read http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-6-1
12:13:37 <casmith789> ah thanks
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12:55:32 <Napkin> laaalalala... shaft!
12:58:24 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r1ac3122a6922 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop-enum.h: Remove now-inaccurate comments.
13:01:46 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * rab307f1838f2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (travel.cc travel.h): [1524] Fix autoexplore not reporting items entering fov if autopickup is turned off.
13:11:30 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r85b15386b7f3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tilepick-p.cc tilepick.cc): Add minor cosmetic fixes.
13:32:12 <ortoslon> is "you punish monster, causing immense pain!!!" on whips just a flavor text or pain is a separate effect?
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13:41:06 <Zao> With a Spriggan Artificer with a rod, resting seems to be interrupted by the "you start resting" message or something.
13:41:11 <Zao> Is that a known bug, or am I going insane?
13:41:24 <DrPraetor> It can be two things.
13:41:30 * Zao syncs to trunk, just in case.
13:41:41 <Zao> My rod is fully charged and I'm resting up health.
13:42:07 <DrPraetor> As an experiment, try syncing to trunk three more times consecutively.
13:42:15 <DrPraetor> Did you agree to do that?  You're insane :)
13:44:13 <Zao> I update my crawl once a day or so. Slightly suicidal, maybe.
14:03:42 <dpeg> back
14:07:15 <dpeg> Everybody else away?
14:08:38 <dpeg> So what, Yiuf will get more variation for his garden.
14:13:02 <ortoslon> oklobs?
14:14:39 <dpeg> of course
14:14:50 <dpeg> Ain't no garden without dwarfs and okobs.
14:14:53 <dpeg> +l
14:17:42 <greensnark> Yay for Yiuf
14:17:48 <greensnark> Yiuf is so cute
14:18:01 <greensnark> I think I've fought him only once or twice though
14:19:08 <syllogism> coward
14:20:14 <greensnark> I've also found him only once or twice :P
14:20:20 <greensnark> Someone made early uniques too rare
14:20:28 <ortoslon> faith doesn't auto-id on artefact amulets :(
14:21:09 <greensnark> You file a bug yet? :P
14:21:26 <ortoslon> first i wait for someone to say "it's a known bug" :P
14:23:08 <ortoslon> ah ok
14:30:09 <CIA-39> 03dolorous * r831432f3fb14 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Set the acquirement weight of holy scourges to 0.
14:36:56 <Ashenzari> faith doesn't auto-id on artefact amulets (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1750) by ortoslon
14:53:16 <Zao> DrPraetor: Happened with a Spriggan Assassin too now, rest, regain health up to 22/27 or so, then it stops for no reason.
14:57:03 <Ashenzari> crush caused by broken zomies (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1751) by serg271
14:58:29 <CIA-39> 03dpeg * rb115954e0e5c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: Some randomisation for Yiuf's cottage (Darshan).
14:59:50 <Zao> Quite annoying to have to rest three times to get to full health.
15:01:24 <dpeg> Zao: yes, rods suffer
15:01:25 <dpeg> ;/
15:01:29 <dpeg> erm, :(
15:01:54 <Zao> dpeg: This character is completely rodless.
15:03:49 <Zao> Whack 5, rests for a bit, then the "you start resting" message appears and resting aborts.
15:03:53 <dpeg> Zao: oh, sorry, I must have missed something
15:04:03 <dpeg> hm, my character on CDO rested just fine
15:04:12 <Zao> This is a local tiles trunk.
15:04:29 <Zao> On a horrible GPU, so it's noticeably laggy if that matters.
15:06:03 <Niccus> it stops before 100 turns elapse?
15:07:56 <Zao> Let's see...
15:08:11 <Zao> Where are my saves stored? source/saves, or do I need to back up something else as well?
15:09:54 <Zao> Niccus: It stops after exactly 100 turns.
15:10:05 <Zao> Oh. Wait.
15:10:09 <Zao> 5 stops after 100 turns?
15:10:19 * Zao slaps face.
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15:10:46 <Zao> Sorry about the noise, quite used to characters that rest completely way faster than that.
15:11:41 <dpeg> Zao: no problem. Just die earlier :)
15:12:25 <Zao> Normally my characters perish around D:8 or so. Spriggans exhibit this already on the first levels.
15:14:36 <dpeg> :)
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15:27:20 <dpeg> What happened to the "items out of sight greyed out" issue?
15:37:46 <Luca__> are class names supposed to be CamelCase or with_underscores?
15:42:12 <dpeg> Luca__: isn't there a comment on this in the coding conventions?
15:42:58 <Luca__> it says "There's no convention for class/struct names (yet?)"
15:43:11 <Luca__> the code has a mix of both
15:43:52 <Luca__> generally GUI code is using MixedCase and other code is using underscored_names
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15:48:25 <dpeg> Luca__: ah, so it is time for a convention?
15:48:33 <dpeg> !seen Cryp71c
15:48:34 <Henzell> I last saw Cryp71c at Sun Jun 13 15:32:16 2010 UTC (5h 16m 18s ago) quitting with message Client Quit.
15:48:53 <Luca__> perhaps
15:49:20 <dpeg> !tell Cryp71c My current game (DSFi) has the PbD mutation but a corpse did not produce the effect (turn 27991). Is this intended?
15:49:21 <Henzell> dpeg: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know.
15:51:04 <dpeg> Shouldn't !strong poison go through rPois?
15:53:08 <dpeg> see you tomorrow
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16:32:13 <CIA-39> 03greensnark * r8daa06edec80 10/crawl-ref/source/ (13 files): Make Crawl react better to seeing des files and database text files modified and recompiled by new Crawl processes while older processes are running.
16:32:59 <greensnark> Although in reality Crawl locks all the sqlite .db files and prevents them from being updated at all :P
16:56:25 <Textmode> heh
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17:12:50 <Ashenzari> DsWz crash on level up (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1752) by Recycle
17:22:58 <CIA-39> 03kilobyte * r5c2d51179b23 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/icecave.des: Actually place the main reward in ice_cave_small_03.
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20:16:06 <bmh> hey #dev, it's been a while
20:17:35 <elly> hello
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20:20:10 <bmh> I was thinking about how the hive could be made more interesting
20:20:46 <Cryp71c> more interesting, less aggrivating. Right now its a pain to easily identify monsters from the walls.
20:20:49 <Cryp71c> Even with unicode on.
20:20:57 <bmh> perhaps when the queen is killed, larvae could eat royal jellies
20:21:40 <bmh> it would turn larvae into something other than boring meat shields
20:21:54 <Cryp71c> That sounds quite a bit more aggrivating...how about they turn into something rather dangerous and mobby
20:21:59 <Cryp71c> yellow wasps?
20:22:15 <bmh> ugh!
20:22:25 <Cryp71c> ??yellow wasp
20:22:26 <Henzell> yellow wasp[1/1]: Terrifying monster that poisons, slows, and paralyzes you.  Rendered mostly impotent by poison resistance, otherwise quite deadly.  A good target for wands of polymorph, if you lack PR.
20:22:26 <eith> larve eating stuff is actually already on the dev wiki as an idea
20:22:47 <bmh> eith: this is what happens when I got missing for a few months.
20:22:50 <eith> :)
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20:28:57 <Ashenzari> A random mutation that overlaps with a DS's innate one cannot be cured (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1753) by angrykoopa
20:30:50 <Luca__> why only when the queen is killed? wouldn't that just make people wait to kill the queen?
20:31:44 <bmh> Luca__: because that's what happens in the real world :-)
20:34:18 <bmh> ??You feel homesick
20:34:18 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled you_feel_homesick in my learndb.
20:35:05 <Luca__> according to wikipedia larvas are always fed royal jelly, but the amount is drastically increased when a new queen needs to be made
20:35:59 <Luca__> but also "Since the product is perishable, producers must have immediate access to proper cold storage (e.g., a household refrigerator or freezer) in which the royal jelly is stored until it is sold or conveyed to a collection centre"
20:36:21 <bmh> UK English on my precious wikipedia!?
20:36:32 <Luca__> so I'd say there are bigger realism problems
20:37:15 <Niccus> If you want to be life-accurate you can give hive a higher monster generation rate and less royal jelly that generate over time if you leave the queen alive :V
20:37:33 <Niccus> less royal jelly but some more generate over time*
20:37:43 <bmh> remember the argument over non-bladed weapons of venom?
20:40:12 <Luca__> we would need ice boxes like nethack too
20:40:26 <bmh> Luca__: That's a dirty word around here.
20:40:44 <bmh> first ice boxes, then Izchak!
20:40:45 <Poor_Yurik> Some guy I don'tk now just tried to add me on steam.  His nick: Longrod Vonhugendong : (
20:41:51 <Niccus> kinky
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