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00:06:30 <PleasingFungus> hm
00:06:41 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: want to help me fix some questionable c
00:07:37 <PleasingFungus> wait, nvm
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00:14:06 <gammafunk> .doomed
00:14:07 <Sequell> 14. laz the Meteorologist (L27 DEWz of Sif Muna), slain by a doom hound on Zig:25 on 2016-01-18 08:18:51, with 1040988 points after 75710 turns and 4:24:11.
00:14:17 <gammafunk> .doomed s=br
00:14:18 <Sequell> 14 games for * (ikiller=doom_hound): 5x Zig, 3x Tar, 3x Hell, 2x Depths, Elf
00:15:09 <gammafunk> - Doom hounds, demonic canines lurking in Tartarus who can howl once to
00:15:09 <gammafunk> create a pack of nasty creatures.
00:15:22 <gammafunk> updating it due to the howl change
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00:17:28 <gammafunk> god, there are just too many commits
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00:19:50 <PleasingFungus> that's what we get for leaving it for over a month...
00:19:57 <PleasingFungus> .doomed -2
00:19:58 <Sequell> 13/14. radinms the Conqueror (L27 FoFi of Zin), demolished by a doom hound on Tar:7 (tar_grunt_cathedral) on 2016-01-10 14:54:11, with 1207911 points after 112307 turns and 7:06:24.
00:20:00 <PleasingFungus> .doomed -3
00:20:01 <Sequell> 12/14. Engine the Slayer (L27 DrFi of Okawaru), slain by a doom hound on Tar:2 on 2016-01-10 02:27:57, with 743936 points after 75405 turns and 7:32:44.
00:20:03 <PleasingFungus> .doomed -4
00:20:04 <Sequell> 11/14. aababc the Ruinous (L27 DrFE of Vehumet), demolished by a doom hound on Depths:2 (grunt_profane_halls; grunt_profane_temple_geh) on 2016-01-06 10:27:26, with 664378 points after 75222 turns and 9:53:37.
00:20:09 <PleasingFungus> huh
00:20:11 <PleasingFungus> .doomed -5
00:20:12 <Sequell> 10/14. EnterQ the Slayer (L27 FoFi of Okawaru), mangled by a doom hound on Zig:7 on 2016-01-02 05:18:05, with 761255 points after 112752 turns and 5:10:32.
00:20:28 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller="doom hound" s=killer
00:20:29 <Sequell> 14 games for * (ikiller='doom hound'): 14x a doom hound
00:20:33 <PleasingFungus> hm
00:20:46 <PleasingFungus> did I not set blame...
00:23:10 <gammafunk> maybe not
00:24:16 <PleasingFungus> oops
00:24:19 <PleasingFungus> imo you should fix it.
00:24:23 <gammafunk> @??deep_elf_high_priest
00:24:24 <Gretell> deep elf high priest (09e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 38-59 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 14 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1041 | Sp: a.brilliance [11!AM], sum.demon [11!AM], hellfire burst (3d15) [11!AM], malign offering (2d17) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], twisted resurrection [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int:..
00:25:14 <gammafunk> Want to hear a weird story? I woke up this morning and forgot all the C++ I ever knew. The doctors are calling it Objective Amnesia and want to study me further.
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00:25:37 <PleasingFungus> is this an objective c joke...
00:26:35 <gammafunk> just saying why I'm reduced to feeble changelog updates only
00:26:50 <gammafunk> %git 19433d8af817667251fcd782702b0bc9bfd66a9c
00:26:51 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-862-g19433d8: Monster spell: Aura of Brilliance, for deep elf high priests. 10(3 months ago, 11 files, 131+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19433d8af817
00:26:56 <gammafunk> I guess that did get merged
00:27:05 <gammafunk> oh
00:27:11 <gammafunk> it's right there in monster, just didn't see it
00:32:05 <PleasingFungus> right there all along..
00:32:07 <PleasingFungus> ty for doing this, btw
00:32:09 <PleasingFungus> it's a noble task
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00:38:15 <FIQ> ??aura of brilliance
00:38:16 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled aura_of_brilliance in my learndb.
00:38:31 <chequers> !kw mangled
00:38:31 <Sequell> No keyword 'mangled'
00:38:34 <chequers> ??mangled
00:38:34 <Sequell> mangled[1/2]: You had less than -5 hp when you died.
00:38:40 <chequers> ??demolished
00:38:40 <Sequell> demolished[1/1]: You had from -14 to -21 hit points when you died.
00:38:57 <FIQ> ??annihilated
00:38:57 <Sequell> annihilated[1/1]: You had -22 hp or less when you died. Parts of you are all over the dungeon.
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00:44:46 <chequers> !learn edit mangled s/$/ See also {demolished} and {annihilated}/
00:44:46 <Sequell> Use: !learn edit mangled[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
00:44:57 <chequers> !learn edit mangled[1] s/$/ See also {demolished} and {annihilated}/
00:44:57 <Sequell> mangled[1/2]: You had less than -5 hp when you died. See also {demolished} and {annihilated}
00:45:00 <chequers> ??mangled[2
00:45:00 <Sequell> mangled[2/2]: Means corpse can't leave a hide if butchered. Guaranteed on Kiku corpses; also used in some vault placements.
00:45:21 <chequers> !learn edit demolished[1] s/$/ See also {mangled} and {annihilated}/
00:45:21 <Sequell> demolished[1/1]: You had from -14 to -21 hit points when you died. See also {mangled} and {annihilated}
00:45:37 <chequers> !learn edit annihilated[1] s/$/ See also {mangled} and {demolished}./
00:45:38 <Sequell> annihilated[1/1]: You had -22 hp or less when you died. Parts of you are all over the dungeon. See also {mangled} and {demolished}.
00:45:49 <chequers> !learn edit demolished[1] s/$/./
00:45:49 <Sequell> demolished[1/1]: You had from -14 to -21 hit points when you died. See also {mangled} and {annihilated}.
00:45:52 <chequers> !learn edit mangled[1] s/$/./
00:45:53 <Sequell> mangled[1/2]: You had less than -5 hp when you died. See also {demolished} and {annihilated}.
00:50:56 <gammafunk> Remove an outdated description of entropy weave. Their chant has been accelerated... :clock1::clock2::clock4::clock8:
00:51:02 <gammafunk> can you believe these commit messages
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00:54:08 <PleasingFungus> %git 7a7945507
00:54:08 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-2093-g7a79455: Make some functions static/gone. 10(3 years, 8 months ago, 19 files, 2601+ 2714-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7a7945507d92
00:54:14 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: absolutely not.
00:54:36 <PleasingFungus> agh, won't show me the diff
00:58:22 <gammafunk> @??wasp
00:58:22 <Gretell> wasp (08y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 4 | HP: 18-26 | AC/EV: 5/14 | Dam: 1304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 126 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.
00:58:24 <gammafunk> oh
00:58:26 <gammafunk> @??hornet
00:58:26 <Gretell> hornet (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 36-52 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 2304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 541 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal.
00:59:29 <gammafunk> %git 96759db5360e90631c6a789dfa6f320e91a71037
00:59:29 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1114-g96759db: Give wasp paralysis/slowing the normal chance to bypass rPois 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 11+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96759db5360e
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00:59:39 <PleasingFungus> man
00:59:42 <PleasingFungus> someone fucked this up a long time ago
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01:00:48 <PleasingFungus> ok
01:00:53 <PleasingFungus> good, this is a real bug, not my bug.
01:02:52 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1126-ga2d7f46 (34)
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01:09:52 <PleasingFungus> hm
01:10:02 <PleasingFungus> what's the intended interaction with sealed doors and disint
01:10:13 <PleasingFungus> there's code to support disint blowing them up, but that code path can't fire
01:13:24 <Lightli> ?died
01:13:30 <Lightli> ?died
01:13:32 <Lightli> derp
01:13:32 <PleasingFungus> what
01:14:05 <Lightli> I was looking at the mangled/demolished/annihilated
01:14:13 <Lightli> ??died
01:14:13 <Sequell> died ~ dis[1/2]: One of the hell branches. You can find Dispater with his nice staff at the end. Also home of the Iron Rune. Look out for hellions, fiends, hell sentinels, brimstone fiends, and ice fiends.
01:14:17 <Lightli> appropos
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01:17:55 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1126-ga2d7f46 (34)
01:19:22 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-1127-g794a599: Update the changelog 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 61+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/794a5991d5c9
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01:29:47 <PleasingFungus> hm
01:30:07 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller=druid
01:30:08 <Sequell> No games for * (ikiller=druid).
01:30:13 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller="spriggan druid"
01:30:14 <Sequell> 1273. NeilGaiman the Devastator (L15 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by a spriggan druid (angry trees) on Swamp:2 on 2016-01-19 14:36:49, with 86962 points after 28200 turns and 2:06:08.
01:30:22 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller="spriggan druid" killer!="spriggan druid"
01:30:23 <Sequell> 453. pinm the Blocker (L17 FoFi of Gozag), slain by a five-headed hydra (called by a spriggan druid) on Swamp:4 (swamp_alternative) on 2016-01-19 12:21:17, with 120862 points after 25106 turns and 1:03:18.
01:30:47 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: do you know how ikiller works?
01:30:54 <PleasingFungus> ??help
01:30:54 <Sequell> help[1/5]: !help (I need somebody) !help (not just anybody) Try https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md or https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/learndb.md
01:31:40 <gammafunk> not internally, no, I've never looked. I have only taken of it and consumed it and enjoyed the delicious player deaths it contains.
01:32:57 <PleasingFungus> trying to figure out what I need to do to get it working
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01:37:33 <gammafunk> looks like
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01:37:40 <gammafunk> const CrawlVector& blame = mons->props["blame"].get_vector();
01:37:40 <gammafunk> indirectkiller = blame[blame.size() - 1].get_string();
01:37:55 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: ^ have you seen that?
01:38:04 <PleasingFungus> yes
01:38:04 <PleasingFungus> I'm not sure how to test this
01:38:14 <PleasingFungus> I don't recall what to compile to generate the right entries
01:38:14 <gammafunk> well I think it would show in the morgue
01:38:24 <PleasingFungus> the blame shows up, but idk what the ikiller is
01:38:36 <gammafunk> it comes from the next to last blame entry
01:38:42 <PleasingFungus> !lg * ikiller="spriggan druid" x=ikiller
01:38:43 <Sequell> 1273. [ikiller=a spriggan druid] NeilGaiman the Devastator (L15 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by a spriggan druid (angry trees) on Swamp:2 on 2016-01-19 14:36:49, with 86962 points after 28200 turns and 2:06:08.
01:38:46 <PleasingFungus> ok, good
01:38:52 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: I know that. that's not a test!
01:39:13 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: no I mean, currently if you die to a doom hound summon, the morgue won't show this?
01:39:20 <gammafunk> in the kill line at the top
01:39:24 <PleasingFungus> currently it won't. I have a patch that fixes it.
01:39:33 <PleasingFungus> but, I don't know if this patch also fixes ikiller.
01:39:36 <gammafunk> so if you make it set the blame and you see it show in the morgue
01:39:37 <PleasingFungus> I want to test the latter.
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01:39:50 <PleasingFungus> feh.
01:39:55 <gammafunk> yeah if you want an absolute test I suppose not, but looking at that and the other instances
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01:40:25 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: I can't see any other assignment to that field in the scorefile_entry
01:40:33 <PleasingFungus> 'absolute test'
01:40:34 <PleasingFungus> feh~!
01:40:34 <gammafunk> that looks like it's setting indirectkiller
01:40:41 <PleasingFungus> yes, it certainly does
01:41:13 <gammafunk> although there is
01:41:13 <gammafunk> if (indirectkiller.empty())
01:41:14 <gammafunk> indirectkiller = death_source_name;
01:41:21 <gammafunk> I guess that's just the fallback when it's empty
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01:41:36 <gammafunk> Can we just treat conjecture as fact and call it a night?
01:42:23 <PleasingFungus> hiscores_print_all()
01:42:28 <gammafunk> oh interesting, blame just gets added when the thing is created in general
01:43:12 <gammafunk> ENCH_HAUNTING
01:43:20 <gammafunk> how spooky
01:43:50 <gammafunk> but yeah, you don't really want to test that unless you feel like setting up a local ...oh
01:43:57 <gammafunk> you could just look at the log file
01:44:11 <PleasingFungus> where
01:44:14 <gammafunk> saves/logfile
01:44:19 <gammafunk> sorry, I'm dumb and forgot
01:44:22 <gammafunk> how things work
01:44:28 <PleasingFungus> I don't see anything of the sort
01:44:41 <gammafunk> hrm, no logfile or scores?
01:44:47 <gammafunk> do you have any games played in that copy?
01:44:58 <gammafunk> you have to die once, or finish a game at least
01:45:15 <gammafunk> and maybe the Mac version saves them somewhere else
01:45:18 <gammafunk> let me test right quit
01:45:18 <PleasingFungus> oh, wizmode
01:45:52 <PleasingFungus> I should add SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS=Y to my default config
01:50:10 <PleasingFungus> wtf, that didn't work
01:52:24 <gammafunk> v=0.18-a0:vlong=0.18-a0-1129-gfe03852:lv=0.1:name=test:race=Human:cls=Berserker:char=HuBe:xl=1:sk=Axes:sklev=3:title=Chopper:place=D::1:br=D:lvl=1:absdepth=1:hp=-2:mhp=18:mmhp=18:mp=1:mmp=1:bmmp=1:str=17:int=7:dex=12:ac=2:ev=12:sh=0:god=Trog:start=20160020005142S:dur=10:turn=11:aut=110:kills=0:status=doom howling:gold=0:goldfound=0:goldspent=0:scrollsused=0:potionsused=0:sc=0:ktyp=mon:killer=a shadow
01:52:30 <gammafunk> dragon:dam=5:sdam=5:tdam=7:ikiller=a doom hound:kpath=called by a doom hound:piety=35:end=20160020005157S:map=minmay_arrival_doors_test
01:52:33 <gammafunk> looks good
01:52:52 <gammafunk> had to add one to a minmay vault and then remove all other entry vaults, since chance didn't do it
01:52:53 <PleasingFungus> oh, it's not a flag
01:52:55 <PleasingFungus> ugh
01:53:00 <PleasingFungus> not a command-line flag, anyway
01:53:04 <PleasingFungus> anyway, hooray!
01:53:12 <gammafunk> and thankfully it summoned a shadow dragon which thankfully (and mercifully) killed me
01:53:15 <PleasingFungus> haha
01:53:16 <gammafunk> a happy ending
01:53:21 <PleasingFungus> ty for help, apologies for any grumpiness
01:53:24 <PleasingFungus> not a good mood today
01:53:25 <gammafunk> np
01:54:01 <Medar> !source AppHdr.h:393
01:54:01 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/AppHdr.h#l393
01:54:53 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1128-g8f71077
01:55:15 <PleasingFungus> fucking hell, even uncommenting that and recompiling didn't work
01:55:17 <PleasingFungus> I give up
01:55:28 <Medar> oh, might just be broken then
01:55:29 <PleasingFungus> not that it matters, since gammafunk already tested what I was trying to do, but...!
01:55:32 <PleasingFungus> it SHOULD work
01:55:37 <PleasingFungus> I was looking at the code which references it
01:55:46 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe because
01:55:46 <PleasingFungus> feh, feh, feh!
01:55:46 <gammafunk> wizmode is a ktype now?
01:55:50 <gammafunk> so what would that even do
01:55:54 <PleasingFungus> no
01:56:09 <PleasingFungus> the "are you sure you want to enter wizmode" prompt is in #ifndef SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS blocks
01:56:20 <PleasingFungus> but I still got it even after recompiling with that define uncommented
01:56:27 <PleasingFungus> i'm mad
01:56:40 <PleasingFungus> f e h.
01:56:41 <gammafunk> oh probably others just set it
01:56:44 <gammafunk> other make args
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01:56:49 <gammafunk> er other defines
01:58:23 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1130-g4a6f1b9: Remove vestigial sealed-door-destruction code 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a6f1b946a69
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01:59:35 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (master - 794a599 #4527 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/103536611
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01:59:46 <gammafunk> you're lying, travis
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02:16:42 <halberd> minor bug, when placing poisonous cloud on your fedhas allies, it warns you that it will cause penance but in fact it is harmless
02:16:47 <halberd> since they rpois
02:17:42 <Medar> that should go to mantis (unless it's already there)
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02:22:55 <halberd> can naga ritualists strip rPois from your Fedhas allies?
02:23:13 <halberd> or is that only stripping rPois from you
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02:23:30 <Medar> @??naga ritualist
02:23:30 <Gretell> naga ritualist (07N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 8 | HP: 48-69 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 14, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 685 | Sp: spit poison (d13) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], force lance (3d12), toxic radiance, virulence | Sz: Large | Int: human.
02:23:46 <halberd> ??virulence
02:23:47 <Sequell> virulence[1/1]: A toxic spell cast by naga ritualists that multiplies the poison running through the target (unresistable) and also attempts to render the target vulnerable to poison (resistable by MR).
02:25:38 <halberd> would it incur penance to cast freezing cloud on your fedhas allies or is cloud damage exempt?
02:25:42 <FIQ> cursed ring of fire...
02:25:43 <FIQ> as IE
02:25:44 <FIQ> lol
02:27:05 <Medar> halberd: virulence doesn't seem to work on monsters
02:27:52 <halberd> yeah it wouldn't even cause penance to cast freezing cloud on fedhas allies
02:27:52 <FIQ> wrong channel w/e
02:27:54 <Medar> don't know about freezing cloud/fedhas, probably easiest to wizmode that
02:27:58 <halberd> i just did
02:28:06 <halberd> it gives the warning but no penance if you do it
02:28:36 <Medar> not sure which one is the bug
02:29:08 <Medar> well, it should warn about harming allies even if it doesn't give penance, but I guess it warns about penance?
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02:31:05 <halberd> wait a second it looks like fedhas allies are immune to my own clouds?
02:31:13 <halberd> fcloud isn't damaging them in wizmode
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02:34:29 <Medar> ah yeah, that's how it works
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02:44:29 <Cheibriados> fedhas warns of penance from placing clouds on allies, but it does not cause penance 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10242 by Berder
02:44:40 <Medar> thanks!
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02:50:02 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1130-g4a6f1b9
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07:28:48 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1131-g90f4a65: Update some changelog entries 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90f4a659f7f3
07:31:15 <MarvinPA> oh, i missed out the thing that had prompted me to actually look through the changelog in the first place
07:31:34 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1132-g8c20bbc: Fix another changelog entry 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c20bbcce6c7
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07:32:33 <MarvinPA> (also the elf patrolling thing was removed because it's no longer true, not because it's inconsequential, i guess the commit message could've been clearer on that)
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08:22:47 <Cheibriados> Gozag bribing resets if bribe is used before previous one is expired 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10243 by Lavandula
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09:13:55 <Cheibriados> Gozag turns dancing weapons into gold 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10244 by Lavandula
09:14:30 <FIQ> ^ that isn't intended..?
09:14:47 <FIQ> I saw that in my GrFi^Gozag, found it annoying but assumed it was intentional
09:18:45 <|amethyst> oh, that trap logic flip does seem to have one actual effect
09:19:02 <Cheibriados> Monsters bribed in hell can leave their branches and even follow player into Depths 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10245 by Lavandula
09:19:02 <|amethyst> which is that placing a vault with &L strips the traps
09:22:10 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1133-g6682300: Fix post-levelgen trap placement. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6682300a4861
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09:28:14 <wheals> can anyone reproduce #10243?
09:28:20 <wheals> maybe it has something to do with bands
09:28:26 <kvaak> wheals: are you playing trunk
09:28:27 <kvaak> it's stable
09:28:41 <wheals> can't think of anything that would have changed, but good point
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09:32:30 <FIQ> 10245 sounds pretty broken
09:32:39 <FIQ> would be fun to play with, but OP if that works anyway :P
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10:21:11 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1134-gff269b5: Partially correct a few trove skill checks (DrKe) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff269b5e128f
10:31:14 <|amethyst> DrKe is working into the second unfixed problem
10:31:17 <|amethyst> s/into/on/
10:31:29 <|amethyst> someone should look into the first one there
10:32:20 <|amethyst> which is that "average of nonzero skills" could encourage training useless skills to level 1 to bring weapon_skills below spell_skills or vice versa
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12:05:36 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1134-gff269b5 (34)
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12:15:00 <|amethyst> DrKe: minor nitpick: you changed the behaviour when the skills are exactly equal
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12:26:14 <|amethyst> I wouldn't worry about it too much
12:26:19 <|amethyst> seeing as how it didn't work before
12:26:28 <|amethyst> there is no "old behaviour" to preserve :)
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12:41:56 <DrKe> i had forgotten something, so i'm going to do it anyways
12:42:08 <DrKe> despite the silliness of maintaining continuity with a mechanic that never really existed
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14:47:25 <gammafunk> DrKe: you know, I think there's a problem with the misc trove
14:47:38 <gammafunk> First one I got had like 8 cboe
14:47:51 <gammafunk> and there's a lot of other misc where multiple are just useless
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14:50:39 <gammafunk> after reloading it a lot it doesn't look like that instance of mostly redundant items is all that common
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14:56:02 <Cheibriados> 03DrKe02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.18-a0-1136-g4788093: Add amulet of reflection to trove lists of +x jewellery 10(18 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/478809370546
14:56:02 <Cheibriados> 03DrKe02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.18-a0-1137-g81bca2a: Add a trove vault 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 29+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81bca2a9108f
14:56:02 <Cheibriados> 03DrKe02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.18-a0-1138-g6acfb47: Fix conditional trove weights 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6acfb4750cc8
14:56:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-1139-g2504384: Reformat lua veto statements 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/25043847bd01
14:56:02 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-1140-g8540535: Fix a veto condition in a trove 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85405356529f
14:56:51 <gammafunk> I guess we could try a bit harder to not place multiple of items like the lantern of shadows and the evokers etc that are truly redundant, but | and * don't try to do this
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14:57:01 <gammafunk> it's a bit worse for misc since the chance of this is higher
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15:52:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: solution: make them break after some number of uses (turns for lantern)
15:52:50 <gammafunk> you monster!
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15:53:28 <gammafunk> it's still a problem for the others, although I guess you could make all the misc items where only one is useful that way
15:53:51 <gammafunk> I got a xom's chesspiece my husk^xom game
15:54:03 <gammafunk> the first turn I tried to use it, he interceded and stole it
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15:55:14 <gammafunk> another annoying part about the breaking is the fact that you'd want to carry two of the item
15:55:46 <|amethyst> yeah, you'd want to make them stack too
15:55:48 <gammafunk> this is already a thing for the sack/box though
15:56:03 <gammafunk> yeah, I guess that could solve it since there's not actual charges
15:58:22 <|amethyst> OTOH, maybe it's better to solve this problem at the vault level
15:58:48 <|amethyst> hm... I guess that would involve adding another "vault that needs to be updated constantly" problem
15:59:04 <|amethyst> if the vault were to list misc items, maybe with a couple of duplicates, then shuffle them
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16:06:49 <|amethyst> on the third hand, maybe it's fine. Weapon and armour troves, after all, will give you lots of stuff you don't need
16:06:59 <|amethyst> and can give you multiples for the same slot
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16:11:06 <gammafunk> yeah, I made multiple iterations....actually I noticed that the cboe seemed to stop generating entirely
16:11:18 <gammafunk> is this because acquire misc knows this and stops giving it?
16:11:32 <gammafunk> s/this/that I've seen it/
16:12:49 <gammafunk> seems not, I was able to get it two troves in a row
16:13:28 <gammafunk> yeah, it looks like troves with many redundant items will be pretty rare
16:14:04 <gammafunk> hope you like xom's chesspieces though, man will you get a lot of those
16:14:30 <gammafunk> or I should say, man will you frequently get one; I see one or two most trove
16:14:33 <gammafunk> s
16:14:49 <gammafunk> but phantom mirrors are even more common, it seems, and those are pretty strong items
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16:51:28 <DrKe> i have an any misc in there
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16:52:02 <DrKe> though it is like .6 of one of the 15 items on average
16:52:07 <DrKe> acquire misc does act intelligently
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16:52:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: misc acq does have a lower (0) chance of giving the one-ofs if you have seen them
16:52:46 <DrKe> but maybe not if generated all at once in a trove?
16:52:59 <DrKe> it originally was going to be mainly a misc trove, but i realized that 10 or even 8 slots of just misc is too much
16:53:00 <|amethyst> you probably haven't seen it yet during level gen
16:54:05 <|amethyst> and that's just acq, not 'any misc'
16:55:17 <DrKe> there's 0.6 any misc items on average
16:55:23 <DrKe> and 5.7 or something acquire
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16:57:39 <necKro23> mooooooom, google's creeping me out again https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/361633/ss-desktop/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-20%20at%203.56.53%20PM.png
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16:57:58 <necKro23> heh, sorry, wrong channel
16:57:59 <necKro23> IGNORE ME
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17:19:02 <gammafunk> @??goblin
17:19:08 <gammafunk> rip Gretell
17:19:29 <DrKe> yeah gfunk i think that characters that haven't seen any misc items at all can get weird results
17:19:33 <DrKe> since it probably does all the acq misc's at once
17:19:36 <DrKe> so you get repeats
17:19:45 <DrKe> but most chars will not get multiple cboe
17:19:49 <DrKe> except the small chance of any misc
17:19:55 <DrKe> picking cboe
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17:21:02 <DrKe> 6~ misc acquirements is probably the upper limit of what i can have without that effect being overly pronounced
17:21:26 <DrKe> e.g. a dude who hasnt seen fan of gales gets the vault but he has seen most of the other one offs so he gets 3x fan of gales
17:21:28 <gammafunk> ah, yeah, I had tested with a d:1 char
17:21:37 <gammafunk> so I got their crazy hall of cboe
17:21:49 <gammafunk> s/their/this/
17:21:58 <gammafunk> I knew something was happening as I reloaded
17:22:02 <gammafunk> but I wasn't sure what
17:22:18 <gammafunk> it's just that after the first few I'd seen them all, so there was less silliness
17:22:32 <DrKe> well after you've seen them all you get mighty stacks of sacks of spiders and pmirrors
17:22:41 <gammafunk> and xom's chess pieces
17:22:56 <gammafunk> most chars opening a trove like that won't have seen 0 misc items
17:23:07 <gammafunk> so hopefully it won't be too bad
17:23:29 <gammafunk> hrm, I guess they might have seen only a few though
17:23:42 <DrKe> i'm not sure if the situation necessarily gets better if they have seen more misc items, unless the hierarchy of items favors certain items
17:24:06 <DrKe> like yeah there are less one offs to choose from, but there are also less items to choose from
17:24:12 <DrKe> if we're trying to avoid doubles
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17:24:55 <gammafunk> My thought was mostly about things that are truly useless as doubles
17:25:11 <DrKe> yeah which misc acq won't give
17:25:19 <DrKe> but when we load the trove you see all the items at once
17:25:26 <gammafunk> right, but if you've not seen it, you oculd get 3x cboe
17:25:36 <DrKe> its just a thing that will sometimes happen
17:25:39 <DrKe> the odds arent that great
17:25:58 <gammafunk> since we don't control for this in any meaningful way for just the generic troves
17:26:01 <DrKe> i could make more of it any misc i suppose
17:26:08 <gammafunk> I'm not sure why we'd do so for this one
17:26:08 <DrKe> that would make the trove worse, but less likely to appear strange
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17:48:39 <DrKe> yeah, testing out chars with all of the one-offs except one
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17:49:32 <DrKe> i mean, jewelry and etc acq is going to have doubles too
17:49:42 <DrKe> it seems like nbd
17:58:50 <chequers_> you could hardcode say 75% of the one-offs to appear and then the remaining spaces (however many that is) can be the stackables
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18:00:42 <DrKe> isn't that kinda self-defeating though
18:00:57 <DrKe> like instead of a double/triple cboe, our later game guy just gets copies of stuff he already had x3
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18:01:29 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1140-g8540535 (34)
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18:09:26 <DrKe> it looks like cboe could be particularly problematic for some chars
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18:11:13 <DrKe> since it has special handling in acquire.cc
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18:12:02 <chequers> I'm just thinking it's better to ensure some items are good rather than someone getting four stones
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18:12:38 <DrKe> yeah, if i set evo and spellcasting to 27 and send in a guy who hasn't seen cboe, i get 5 cboes
18:12:40 <chequers> haven't run the numbers but I feel crappy outcomes could be not that unusual if you just generate sixteen acquire misc items on someone who's seen only one/two of them
18:12:42 <DrKe> i only got 2 with 20/20 though
18:12:54 <DrKe> it's actually only 6
18:13:19 <DrKe> the other 9 are rods, wands, and recha scrolls
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18:13:35 <DrKe> i limited the number of misc items more than i otherwise would have cause i figured that would be an issue
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18:18:17 <DrKe> weight for the worst case scenario would be 15/43 of the same elem evoker
18:18:49 <DrKe> assuming char has seen all other one offs
18:18:57 <DrKe> so 2 on average in the trove
18:21:58 <chequers> isn't the worst case when the player has seen no one-offs? And they end up with doubles of all of them?
18:22:14 <chequers> I guess you could say getting every one-off is actually alright
18:22:24 <chequers> for a trove
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18:23:28 <DrKe> well when the trove initially rolls the weights are going to be normal
18:23:38 <DrKe> so it's more likely you would get an ok spread of the one offs with maybe one double
18:23:42 <DrKe> if you had none of them
18:23:52 <DrKe> and again, only 6 items
18:24:26 <DrKe> i mean it is also possible that you get a bunch of the same one due to bad luck
18:24:43 <DrKe> but that is possible in other troves too
18:25:03 <DrKe> the issue here would be dudes who have seen most of them already getting a stack of something
18:25:26 <DrKe> which i think now only happens with someone with really high evo + splcast who doesn't have cboe
18:26:08 <DrKe> because cboe is a special case for misc acq for some reason
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18:38:33 <chequers> so I think Ds mutation spikes is too powerful now in the niche of 'you get it on XL2 or 3' in that it can basically carry you through the first five or six levels
18:38:48 <DrKe> yeah it seems outrageous
18:38:52 <DrKe> early game
18:39:00 <chequers> but it's still relatively crap from midgame forwards, like a bad foul stench
18:39:14 <chequers> I was thinking about tieing proc chance to XL and increasing damage again
18:40:21 <DrKe> ??spines
18:40:22 <Sequell> spiny[1/1]: 0.16: At mutation level x, gives a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster AC. Level 3 prevents constriction. 0.17+: Chance is 50% and damage is (1+x)d5.
18:40:31 <chequers> well, either: 20% per mutlevel proc chance, and increased damage, or 20->50% proc chance scaling with XL and moderately increased damage
18:40:42 <chequers> that's all wrong now
18:40:51 <chequers> %git 312f747
18:40:51 <Cheibriados> 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-871-g312f747: Buff spiny mutation (chequers). 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/312f7478b7f0
18:41:10 <chequers> 50% chance of 1+mutlevel d 5
18:41:42 <DrKe> eh, that damage seems okay to me later on
18:41:45 <chequers> so 5/10/15 damage per turn, subtract AC
18:41:52 <DrKe> i mean all it has to do is be roughly equivalent to an alright aux attack
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18:43:15 <chequers> I think when comparing it to foul stench it comes out worse. That can slow things reasonably often
18:44:37 <DrKe> i would agree with tying the proc chance to mutlevel
18:44:54 <DrKe> but i don't think you need to increase the damage that much
18:45:34 <chequers> I mean, for lategame enemies
18:45:37 <chequers> @??green draconian
18:45:44 <chequers> ?
18:45:50 <chequers> @??draconian
18:45:57 <Cheibriados> green draconian (03d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 84-110 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 20, 1508(poison:28-56) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1331 | Sp: poisonous cloud (3d9) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
18:45:57 <DrKe> %??green draconian
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18:48:52 <DrKe> average ac roll like 5
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18:49:21 <kvaak> 0 is a valid roll!!!
18:49:33 <DrKe> so maybe tied to xl and something around 1d25
18:49:37 <DrKe> or 1d30
18:49:39 <DrKe> at max
18:49:49 <DrKe> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
18:50:07 <DrKe> correction average ac roll inbetween 4 and 5
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18:59:02 <gammafunk> why should it need special regard for lategame enemies, isn't it a fairly low tier mut
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18:59:18 <kvaak> a tier 1
18:59:18 <gammafunk> we don't upgrade dr breath over time
18:59:20 <kvaak> if you can get it at xl2
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19:00:17 <gammafunk> yeah, what DrKe said about roughly equiv to a decent aux attack
19:08:10 <amalloy> kvaak: you can get any mut at xl2
19:08:36 <kvaak> aren't the tier 3 ones delayed
19:08:45 <chequers> proabilistically
19:08:52 <chequers> anyway, t's a tier 2
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19:09:43 <chequers> right now it's uber for the first five floors, great in early game and mediocre in mid/late imo. Wereas foul stench is useless until you get level 2 but being able to slow near anything is pretty nice
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19:11:35 <FIQ> what about (mut*5+XL/6)d5
19:11:51 <amalloy> the higher-tier a mutation is, the later you tend to get it, but there's no guarantee. a while ago i did a back-of-the-envelope calculation for "how likely is it to max out your tier 3 mutation at XL4", and it's possible but, iirc, so unlikely it has probably never happened
19:12:04 <FIQ> caps out at roughly 8d5
19:12:11 <FIQ> but is still pretty low earlygame
19:12:55 <FIQ> amalloy: I once ended up getting RMsl by XL4 which I think is pretty unlikely
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19:13:03 <FIQ> But yeah, not as unlikely as maxing out the tier 3 mut :P
19:13:11 <kvaak> usually I get my first level of tier 3 by xl20 or so
19:13:19 <amalloy> what is that, level 3 of a tier2, FIQ?
19:13:22 <FIQ> yeah, it comes *late*
19:13:23 <kvaak> which would be okay if mark didn't exist
19:13:28 <FIQ> amalloy: level 3 repulsion field
19:13:29 <FIQ> so, scales
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19:13:47 <amalloy> last time i got spiny, i tried to suicide (due to irrelevant tournament scoring reasons) but couldn't
19:14:01 <kvaak> is there any particular reason you didn't ^qyes
19:14:06 <amalloy> oh just for fun
19:14:12 <FIQ> just dive
19:14:15 <amalloy> i would have if suiciding had been actually impossible
19:14:41 <amalloy> i just held ........ against several monsters and didn't die, so i started summoning monsters and attacking them
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19:15:02 <FIQ> I once got spiny 3 by XL6 or something like that
19:15:05 <FIQ> it was quite ridiculous
19:15:24 <FIQ> everything just.. died
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19:17:56 <FIQ> hm I think (mut*4+XL/5)d5 scales better
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19:18:05 <FIQ> Just an idea though, I dunno how crawl formulas generally look like :P
19:19:02 <DrKe> so 17.4d5 at level 27?
19:19:07 <FIQ> no
19:19:15 <FIQ> how do you get that number?
19:19:21 <FIQ> mut*4 for 12
19:19:22 <gammafunk> ??foul_stench
19:19:23 <Sequell> foul stench[1/1]: Tier 2 Demonspawn facet. Level 1: rRot, Level 2: sicken monsters and sometimes emit miasma when damaged in melee. Level 3: emit miasma more often.
19:19:23 <FIQ> XL for 27
19:19:28 <FIQ> 39/5 is ~8
19:19:29 <FIQ> so 8d5
19:19:31 <DrKe> pemdas
19:19:41 <FIQ> which is twice the current number
19:19:47 <DrKe> you do mult and divide before adding
19:19:59 <FIQ> might be too much, but my impression was that spines kinda sucked in lategame anyway
19:20:01 <amalloy> FIQ: 4+4/2 is 6, not 4, is what DrKe is saying
19:20:14 <FIQ> ok, sorry but what I meant was ((mut*4+XL)/5)d5
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19:23:12 <FIQ> (It was just an idea, I didn't do the math fully, I think it might scale too well still earlygame if you get spiny1 or 2 early)
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19:23:49 <kvaak> why are you all starting with the assumption it a) needs to be great late b) is currently bad late
19:24:09 <FIQ> kvaak: I have found lategame spiny to be kind of meh myself
19:24:21 <FIQ> also other people in here stated the same thing
19:24:22 <kvaak> if you want a lategame mutation that's bad try mark
19:24:24 <FIQ> so I assumed it was conseus
19:24:28 <FIQ> sorry if it was not
19:24:41 <kvaak> it's a tier 3 that does literally nothing until level 3
19:25:03 <FIQ> I think it gives rTorm?
19:25:07 <FIQ> at level 2
19:25:11 <FIQ> which isn't bad by any means
19:25:18 <FIQ> (but kind of niche)
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19:26:03 <FIQ> kvaak: also, most tier 3 muts do pretty much nothing until the final level
19:26:12 <kvaak> that is one hundred percent untrue
19:26:15 <FIQ> most of them are in fact mirrored by some tier 2 muts
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19:26:31 <FIQ> (hellfire, meleefreeze)
19:27:15 <FIQ> kvaak: a single pip of rC+ and immune to freezing clouds is more useful than rN+, rTorm how exactly?
19:27:21 <FIQ> I'd say that they're about equal at best
19:27:26 <kvaak> cold damage and freezing clouds exist
19:27:39 <CanOfWorms> you don't see rtorm much in a 3 rune game
19:27:52 <CanOfWorms> er
19:27:54 <CanOfWorms> torment
19:28:20 <FIQ> this might be true
19:28:32 <FIQ> but I wasn't realizing that kvaak was talking about 3runes specifically
19:28:42 <CanOfWorms> me neither :v
19:29:13 <kvaak> the game's basically over by 3 runes
19:29:15 <kvaak> so there's that
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19:34:42 <amalloy> ??black mark
19:34:43 <Sequell> black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Gives melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of gaining a vampiric effect and applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters.
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19:36:19 <DrKe> it doesn't vamp anymore
19:36:40 <CanOfWorms> rip
19:36:57 <amalloy> levels 1 and 2 are rN+, rTorm? that is pretty terrible. i got passive freeze my last two Ds, and it was great because it was early rC+ even though the other stuff didn't matter at all
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19:38:05 <amalloy> i actually got passive freeze 1 at XL2, this game
19:39:46 <DrKe> !learn e black_mark[1] s/of gaining a vampiric effect and//
19:39:46 <Sequell> black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Gives melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters.
19:40:04 <DrKe> !learn e black_mark[1] s/chance /chance of /
19:40:05 <Sequell> black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Gives melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters.
19:40:29 <DrKe> !learn e black_mark[1] s/the vampiric*.*//
19:40:30 <Sequell> black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Gives melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target.
19:41:38 <DrKe> it looks like regular antimagic brand is damage_done * 32
19:41:45 <DrKe> and black mark is only damage_done * 8
19:42:17 <DrKe> ??ds mutations
19:42:17 <Sequell> ds mutation rules[1/5]: Assuming you aren't monstrous, you get five facets, each consisting of three mutations (which usually just stack together). You will get one scales-type facet, one body-slot facet, two tier 2 facets, and one tier 3 facet.
19:42:20 <DrKe> ??ds mutations[3
19:42:20 <Sequell> ds mutation rules[3/5]: Tier 2 facets: powered by death, powered by pain, demonic guardian, nightstalker, spiny, rot (rRot, foul stench), fire (flame cloud immunity, rF+, ignite blood), ice (freezing cloud immunity, rC+, icemail), magic shield.
19:42:21 <DrKe> ??ds mutations[4
19:42:22 <Sequell> ds mutation rules[4/5]: Tier 3 facets: robust (+30% HP), negative energy (rN+/rTorment/black mark), {augmentation} (+slay/spellpower scaling with HP), ice (rC+, freezing cloud immunity, passive freeze), fire (rF+, flame cloud immunity, hellfire). Ice/fire facets are incompatible, as are foul stench/ignite blood.
19:42:32 <kvaak> to compensate for it not being antimagic most of the time I assume
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19:46:00 <DrKe> oh, weapons are also * 8
19:46:06 <DrKe> i was looking at antimagic bite
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19:49:07 <chequers> yeah, perhaps negative energy could be rN+, black mark, rTorment
19:49:24 <chequers> can you get fire scales + ice tier 3?
19:49:29 <chequers> ah no
19:49:56 <amalloy> it says ice/fire facets are incompatible, but isn't clear about whether scales facets count as icy or fiery
19:50:13 <chequers> anyway, I do think spiny needs to be weaker in the extreme early game, but I'm happy to defer to drke and say it's in a good place past that
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19:50:21 <chequers> eg spiny 2 in lair is merely decent
19:50:56 <chequers> maybe it can use special scaling for the first x XLs or something. That's messy, but solves the immediate problem
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19:55:33 <DrKe> it looks like it just checks for mut_heat and mut_cold_resistance specifically amalloy
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19:55:43 <DrKe> and does not let you have both
19:55:57 <DrKe> or two of the same for that matter
19:56:16 <DrKe> since you would then get a redundant cloud immunity also
19:56:37 <amalloy> so it doesn't care about scales, right? i'm pretty sure i've gotten icy scales and passive freeze
19:57:18 <DrKe> yeah, it's just level 3 scales
19:57:29 <DrKe> it doesnt consider that as being rf for the purposes of choosing muts
19:57:35 <DrKe> ./rc
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20:06:46 <|amethyst> chequers: there is already support for special scaling, so not even messy
20:07:04 <|amethyst> demonic guardian has it for example
20:07:10 <|amethyst> !source _demon_facets
20:07:11 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc#l1910
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20:26:14 <chequers> |amethyst: not the probability of being placed, but the actual proc chance / damage being special cased for early game
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20:38:06 <Floodkiller> is it still necessary to have non-branded dancing weapons at the entrance to the Hall of Blades if Elf can spawn nastier branded ones naturally now?
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20:43:11 <gammafunk> well I see e.mons("patrolling dancing weapon ; dagger good_item | mundane falchion w:6")
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21:07:05 <DrKe> hmm trapdoor spiders were removed
21:07:12 <DrKe> i did not notice that
21:07:22 <gammafunk> he added redbacks to the sack
21:07:29 <gammafunk> and made adjustments elsewhere
21:07:49 <gammafunk> *more redbacks
21:09:44 <DrKe> maybe we could move jumping spiders down and remove the 2nd redback
21:09:52 <DrKe> they're not that crazy are they
21:09:56 <DrKe> @??jumping spider
21:10:06 <Cheibriados> jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 23-42 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2016(ensnare), 8 | see invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 300 | Sp: blink close [11!AM, 06!sil], blink away [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless.
21:10:06 <DrKe> %??jumping spider
21:10:21 <Cheibriados> redback (04s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 21-33 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 1804(strong poison:33-58) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 219 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless.
21:10:21 <DrKe> %??redback
21:11:46 <DrKe> or maybe its finally time to rename it "bag of bugs" and add other insects/insect like things
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21:14:00 <gammafunk> not sure what we'd have
21:14:09 <gammafunk> ??rod_of_swarm
21:14:09 <Sequell> summon swarm[1/2]: Level 5 rod spell. Summons all sorts of wild beasts ranging from butterflies to wasps. Always friendly (before 0.8 they were often hostile).
21:14:15 <geekosaur> bag of beeeeeeeees
21:14:20 <gammafunk> that's the rod of swarm
21:14:35 <gammafunk> we'd shy away from the y I think, aside from ghost moths
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21:16:15 <DrKe> yeah wasps/hornets are not a great fit anyways
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21:16:43 <Floodkiller> fr: add spark wasps to rod of swarm at super high evo
21:17:16 <CanOfWorms> rod of swarm's summons aren't spellpower dependent
21:17:20 <DrKe> you get teh same monsters from swarm at evo 27 as you do at evo 0, yeah
21:17:20 <CanOfWorms> it's the number that is :v
21:17:49 <DrKe> ??summon swarm[2
21:17:50 <Sequell> summon swarm[2/2]: Full list: Killer bee (tripled weight), scorpion, worm, vampire mosquito, goliath beetle, spider, butterfly, yellow wasp, and worker ant (tripled weight). No vampire mosquitoes if you're with a good god. Choice of summons not weighted by power, but number of summons is.
21:18:05 <Floodkiller> how boring
21:18:25 <Floodkiller> ??bag of spiders
21:18:25 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled bag_of_spiders in my learndb.
21:18:29 <CanOfWorms> ??sack
21:18:30 <Sequell> sack ~ sick[1/2]: When you are sick, your hit points do not regenerate, and you may occasionally suffer one-point stat drains. The stat drains can be avoided with a ring of sustain abilities, and the sickness can be removed most commonly with time or with a potion of curing.
21:18:34 <CanOfWorms> ??sack of sp
21:18:35 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled sack_of_sp in my learndb.
21:18:39 <CanOfWorms> damn you sequell!!!
21:18:41 <CanOfWorms> ??sack of spiders
21:18:42 <Sequell> sack of spiders[1/2]: When evoked, generates friendly spiders and webs. Contains 5-15 charges and has a 1/5 chance of failure when evoked. The kinds of spiders you get vary with evocations; at really high evocations you get the occasional ghost moth.
21:18:48 <CanOfWorms> ??sack of spiders[2
21:18:48 <Sequell> sack of spiders[2/2]: Probably the best item in the game.
21:19:01 <Floodkiller> I second bag of bugs and get rid of rod of the swarm
21:19:04 <Floodkiller> then add all the bugs to it
21:19:27 <Floodkiller> enable bugomancers
21:19:42 <CanOfWorms> add the helllionworm monster to the game
21:19:52 <DrKe> !learn set summon_swarm[2] Full list: Killer bee (quad weight), scorpion (triple weight), river rat, wasp, vampire mosquito, butterfly. No vampire mosquitoes if you're with a good god. Choice of summons not weighted by power, but number of summons is.
21:19:53 <Sequell> summon swarm[2/2]: Full list: Killer bee (quad weight), scorpion (triple weight), river rat, wasp, vampire mosquito, butterfly. No vampire mosquitoes if you're with a good god. Choice of summons not weighted by power, but number of summons is.
21:20:16 <CanOfWorms> huh, river rates?
21:20:17 <CanOfWorms> *rats
21:20:21 <CanOfWorms> that's new
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21:20:43 <CanOfWorms> also river rat is weight 2
21:20:54 <DrKe> yes you are correct
21:20:58 <DrKe> i should know this
21:21:00 <CanOfWorms> lel
21:21:07 <CanOfWorms> I'm looking at the commit RIGHT THIS MOMENT
21:21:13 <DrKe> !learn edit summon_swarm[2] s/river rat/river rat (doubled weight)
21:21:14 <Sequell> summon swarm[2/2]: Full list: Killer bee (quad weight), scorpion (triple weight), river rat (doubled weight), wasp, vampire mosquito, butterfly. No vampire mosquitoes if you're with a good god. Choice of summons not weighted by power, but number of summons is.
21:22:05 <DrKe> i just felt worms were very uninspiring
21:26:38 <geekosaur> (next up: bucket of worms/bait)
21:27:18 <DrKe> now that swamp worms can walk!
21:28:15 <kvaak> do their tiles have cute little feet
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21:32:02 <gammafunk> nope, no feet, just a slug tail
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21:37:32 <DrKe> i guess we could move jumping spider to 9 and tarantella to 12 + lower the weights
21:37:51 <DrKe> then there would be progression every 3 levels
21:41:28 <kvaak> http://i.imgur.com/5WpVQUY.png
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21:58:44 <PleasingFungus> kvaak: lmao
21:58:53 <PleasingFungus> beautiful...
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22:02:36 <Floodkiller> amulet of dismissal has a pretty strong synergy with haunt, it turns out
22:02:57 <Floodkiller> if the monster gets teleported away, the ghosts just try to beeline for wherever it went, killing everything in their wake
22:05:42 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/227 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/227
22:05:42 <Cheibriados> 03edsrzf02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/227 * 0.18-a0-1141-g15a6f2f: Some fixes for monster health in webtiles with tile_display_mode = glyphs 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/15a6f2f356b8
22:13:26 <gammafunk> well I don't think haunt monsters fight out of los
22:14:22 <Floodkiller> it doesn't, but they sure fight all the monsters on the way without timing out like if the monster died
22:14:37 <gammafunk> well why not just use recall to do this
22:15:04 <gammafunk> not that the dismissal effect isn't useful, but with an l3 spell you can do it whenever you like
22:15:08 <Floodkiller> because there isn't much space to recall with nightstalker 3
22:15:31 <gammafunk> well when we start granting nightstalker 3
22:15:35 <gammafunk> when the player learns haunt
22:15:48 <gammafunk> that will be quite something I guess
22:16:07 <PleasingFungus> it's a cool emergent synergy
22:16:09 <PleasingFungus> probably
22:16:14 <PleasingFungus> haunt/dismissal
22:16:16 <Floodkiller> also mennas is a dick
22:16:28 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: recall is cooler and you're just not cool
22:16:33 <gammafunk> funguses are not cool
22:17:13 <gammafunk> I tried to make my DrNe of sif a haunter
22:17:19 <gammafunk> sadly she didn't want to gift the spell
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22:18:01 <geekosaur> you're just not cool enough for it
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22:18:39 <chequers> ??haunt
22:18:39 <Sequell> haunt[1/2]: (L7 summ/necr): Summons 2-6 wraiths and undead "ghost" type monsters around the target. Smite-targeted, but only castable on a monster. In 0.16- caused sickness when cast unless you worship Kikubaaqudgha and pass a piety-in-200 check.
22:21:35 <gammafunk> ??gods
22:21:36 <Sequell> gods[1/3]: '?' '/' 'G' for a complete list (in game). Type "??<full god name> reasons" (in IRC) to get a list of reasons which might motivate you to worship that particular god.
22:21:40 <gammafunk> ??gods[2
22:21:40 <Sequell> gods[2/3]: Ashenzari, Beogh, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Fedhas, Gozag, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Lugonu, Makhleb, Nemelex Xobeh, Okawaru, Pakellas, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, Trog, Vehumet, Xom, Yredelemnul, Zin, the Shining One.
22:21:43 <PleasingFungus> man, remember sickness...
22:22:00 <Lasty> no, as long as I keep taking my pills
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22:26:27 <Floodkiller> sickness never left
22:26:41 <gammafunk> !learn add gammafunk god genders based on how they appear to me: sif: female (we're in a relationship), trog: male (best bro), mak: male, veh: male, oka: female, lucy: female, ely: female, kiku: afraid to ask, gozag: male, pak: male, qaz: female, chei: male, zin: no, xom: male, yred: male, tso: male fedhas: potted plant, nem: removed, ru: Lasty won't let me ask, dith: female, beogh: male
22:26:41 <Sequell> gammafunk[7/7]: god genders based on how they appear to me: sif: female (we're in a relationship), trog: male (best bro), mak: male, veh: male, oka: female, lucy: female, ely: female, kiku: afraid to ask, gozag: male, pak: male, qaz: female, chei: male, zin: no, xom: male, yred: male, tso: male fedhas: potted plant, nem: removed, ru: Lasty won't let me ask, dith: female, beogh: male
22:26:57 <Floodkiller> it has just been biding its time in the shadows of the abyss
22:27:01 <Floodkiller> waiting to strike once more\
22:27:17 <PleasingFungus> 2spoopy...
22:27:28 <PleasingFungus> zin: no
22:27:32 <gammafunk> just NO
22:27:44 <PleasingFungus> bold call on oka
22:27:59 <gammafunk> maybe oka appears as a guy to you, nbd
22:28:09 <CanOfWorms> fedhas: not a tree???
22:28:17 <gammafunk> it's just a cute potted plant
22:28:41 <CanOfWorms> http://www.lovethesepics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rainbow-eucalyptus-truly-one-of-the-most-amazingly-beautiful-rainbow-colored-trees-on-earth.jpg
22:28:52 <PleasingFungus> http://www.artificialplantsandtrees.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/NEA1334-ZM-1.jpg
22:28:53 <chequers> how is trog your best bro
22:29:06 <chequers> the dude will chop your head off if it seems like a funny thing to do
22:29:16 <gammafunk> just got to enjoy the trog lifestyle
22:29:20 <CanOfWorms> isn't that more of a xom thing
22:29:23 <wheals> trog must be to allow gammafunk to continue worshipping after killing all those poor mibes
22:29:42 <PleasingFungus> alternately, http://45.media.tumblr.com/40777272605fe3fa8b7218094ed26f67/tumblr_nyx9boESNO1qza1qzo1_540.gif
22:29:43 <gammafunk> yeah he's totally chill
22:30:04 <geekosaur> with all the sif worship you;d think gammafunk would be anti-Trog
22:30:06 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: good zot monster in there
22:30:10 <PleasingFungus> haha
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22:31:02 <Floodkiller> fr: gorsia unique
22:31:12 <geekosaur> (also now I'm picturing Ficus as a unique)
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