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00:10:31 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34)
00:12:30 <PleasingFungus> hm
00:12:32 <PleasingFungus> !seen wheals
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00:12:35 <PleasingFungus> feh!!!
00:12:41 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: do you know anything about shops
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00:21:48 <fixit_friend> formicid wanderer. I super approve, fungus
00:22:04 <PleasingFungus> good char
00:22:06 <PleasingFungus> dumb death
00:22:09 <PleasingFungus> so it goes
00:22:12 <PleasingFungus> was playing carelessly
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00:22:44 <fixit_friend> I had to take a break on my fewn; no lives left getting tired, likely to yasd in such a manner
00:23:35 <fixit_friend> a semi helpful guy on the s-z server was giving us crap for rolling wanderers
00:23:41 <PleasingFungus> lol
00:23:51 <PleasingFungus> semi-helpful sounds above average for cszo tileschat
00:23:56 <fixit_friend> I'm like dude, you can start with 9 spells. 9 spells!
00:24:11 <fixit_friend> and he's like when? they patched that out
00:24:37 <PleasingFungus> i think probably 7 or 8 is your max
00:24:58 <fixit_friend> I had a 5-spell starter-class book
00:25:05 <fixit_friend> and 2 crappos
00:25:14 <fixit_friend> 9 spells!
00:25:20 <PleasingFungus> !!!
00:25:25 <PleasingFungus> dang, double crappo
00:25:29 <PleasingFungus> the legendary double crappo...
00:25:36 <fixit_friend> it was actually somewhat coherent
00:26:07 <fixit_friend> most of the spells were part cj or fire or poison or both
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00:26:20 <regret-index> bad starting spells: confusing touch for non-unarmed, I guess apportation lost much of its value when monsters stopped being able to pick up item, flame tongue, uh,
00:26:58 <regret-index> general apt conflicts, I guess?
00:27:26 <PleasingFungus> flame tongue??
00:27:27 <Sequell> Spell which throws a low-power puff of flame two to five spaces. Note that the max range is {spell power}-dependent - don't expect your fledgling DEFE to fry anything significantly beyond melee. 1d14 at max power. To-hit: 11+power/6.
00:27:34 <PleasingFungus> ...not quite what I was going for
00:27:49 <PleasingFungus> still, what's wrong with flame tongue?
00:28:25 <fixit_friend> perhaps the fact that it's not magic dart
00:29:10 <regret-index> nor freeze
00:35:14 <fixit_friend> how ridiculous would it be to make a background that starts with a random manual? but it's unid'd to somewhat reduce scumming, Dr style. maybe along with 2 unid'd trash books
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00:37:13 <CanOfWorms> draconians sort of fill that niche anyway
00:37:16 <fixit_friend> yeeeeah probably :P
00:37:34 <PleasingFungus> unid manual seems poorly thought-out, yeah.
00:37:54 <|amethyst> class that starts with a manual of evocations and no skills or equipment
00:37:59 <|amethyst> newnewAr
00:38:35 <CanOfWorms> newmonks: start with a manual of invocations
00:38:54 <fixit_friend> like ok so it's "scholar" or something, ideally you would receive the book at level (foo), your university mails it to you or something. but backgrounds don't "do stuff" like that, only races do
00:39:05 <fixit_friend> unid manual seemed like the only workaround
00:40:40 <PleasingFungus> so, draconian.
00:40:43 <CanOfWorms> new background - grad student: start the game worshipping gozag, a shop with a single unid'd manual is spawned next to you
00:40:54 <fixit_friend> &dump PleasingFungus fown
00:40:58 <Sequell> unknown/PleasingFungus/PleasingFungus.txt
00:41:14 <fixit_friend> yeah, draconian :P
00:41:16 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms:  unrealistic... grad students shouldn't worship a god that gives them more money than most characters
00:41:30 <ontoclasm> start the game in gozag penance
00:41:33 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms:  start the game worshipping Zin, and with a shop with unided manual
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00:41:43 <|amethyst> but it turns out it's a manual of necromancy
00:41:50 <ontoclasm> what is gozag wrath anyway
00:41:51 <CanOfWorms> or tmut
00:41:58 <CanOfWorms> enemies get perma potion effects
00:42:02 <|amethyst> randomly tmut or necro
00:42:05 <|amethyst> that's why it's unided
00:42:05 <ontoclasm> hm
00:42:13 <CanOfWorms> I don't remember if things that get bought get converted to 1 piece of gold
00:42:48 <|amethyst> the midas thing was removed
00:42:56 <ontoclasm> should just be DEBT and gozag takes all your gold to pay it off
00:42:59 <CanOfWorms> might also make potion quaffs fail
00:43:07 <|amethyst> yeah
00:43:24 <fixit_friend> think it delays your quaff by 1.0 turns, not fail
00:43:24 <CanOfWorms> the wiki lists zin's tithing as an effect but I don't remember if that was removed
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00:43:57 <|amethyst> yes, Zin tithing is still there
00:44:03 <|amethyst> as listed in the help
00:44:13 <CanOfWorms> ??gozag
00:44:13 <Sequell> gozag[1/7]: The greedy god of gold. Turns corpses into gold, which gives a distraction status that may cause enemies to lose turns. Lets you use {potion petition}, lets you {call merchant}s, and lets you {bribe branch}es. Does not have a normal piety system.
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00:44:52 <PleasingFungus> "blurry mouth" is the potion effect unofficial name
00:45:19 <CanOfWorms> new enemy: blurry moth...
00:45:26 <fixit_friend> sounds like neo's mouth in the matrix
00:48:47 <regret-index> blurry moth, turns everything in los invisible?
00:49:59 <ontoclasm> regret-index: i made a "blind eye" enemy that casts invis other
00:50:02 <ontoclasm> at one point
00:50:20 <regret-index> mm
00:54:11 <CanOfWorms> blurry moth just gives the player -scroll while it's visible
00:54:21 <CanOfWorms> er, in LOS
00:56:18 <Lightli> god, a monster that shut down all consumable use would be scary
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01:00:52 <ontoclasm> Lightli: do it
01:01:11 <ontoclasm> give in to your hatred
01:01:19 <CanOfWorms> *player hatred
01:01:23 <Lightli> I would if I knew how to :v
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01:04:15 <ontoclasm> it can't beharder than suppression moths
01:04:20 <ontoclasm> be harder*
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01:12:10 <chequers> gozag wrath is just haste/berserk now
01:12:39 <chequers> ontoclasm: the problem with the gold-related things is that it would make abandoning gozag for eg the orb run a non-issue
01:13:04 <chequers> or any sort of wrath that's avoidable, eg the old one of items you pick up turning into 1 gold
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01:14:13 <chequers> if wrath was represented as debt (based on time spent worshipping gozag) which was paid off by collecting gold *or* killing incited monsters... hmm
01:16:37 <ProzacElf> you could then do it both ways by having him periodically damage you by throwing giant bricks of gold at you
01:17:23 <chequers> even gozag wrath gives you gold!
01:19:03 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34)
01:20:12 <ontoclasm> well really, gozag hates anyone who isn't rich
01:20:22 <ontoclasm> so if you annoy him he fixes you by giving you cash
01:20:45 <chequers> :)
01:22:39 <PleasingFungus> shop code... hrm
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01:28:50 <PleasingFungus> ...oh, get_shop() is not actually a getter function.
01:28:54 <PleasingFungus> for fuck's sake.
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01:45:32 <PleasingFungus> eh, i guess it's an impure getter
01:45:43 <namelastname112> what is "paralysed by you" mean?
01:46:01 <ontoclasm> in like, a death message?
01:46:04 <namelastname112> yeah
01:46:06 <PleasingFungus> iirc it comes from being paralysed from starvation or somesuch
01:46:14 <PleasingFungus> i spent a while trying to hunt it down maybe a year ago
01:46:17 <namelastname112> i sure i wasn't starving
01:46:26 <PleasingFungus> v0v
01:46:30 <namelastname112> maybe it was a chaos cloud but i'm not sure
01:46:37 <PleasingFungus> oh, right, that sounds familiar
01:54:59 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88
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04:15:42 <TZer0> !messages
04:15:42 <Sequell> TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
04:15:46 <TZer0> !messages
04:15:46 <Sequell> (1/1) |amethyst said (11h 19m 48s ago): any idea from webtiles IP logs who set up the hypersmh account on CUE?  Apparently it was a griefer
04:16:01 <TZer0> |amethyst: I can try to check
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04:16:46 <TZer0> # ./bin/dgl ls-users | grep hypersmh
04:16:48 <TZer0> hypersmh|lol1@lol2.lol3
04:16:50 <TZer0> this gives nothing
04:17:16 <TZer0> I've set the password.
04:17:40 <TZer0> going to check logs now
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08:43:08 <wheals> |amethyst: looks like you were right about some platforms not INT16_MIN/MAX
08:45:23 <fixit_friend> is there a race, unrand, spell, etc etc, that gives Courage? (the opposite of the ru Sac Courage effect)
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09:13:20 <advil> new nymphs are kind of brutal
09:13:28 <advil> good job
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10:21:59 <dpeg_> !seen Pleasingfungus
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10:22:29 <Lightli> rip
10:26:06 <dpeg_> They always come back.
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13:13:08 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34)
13:13:35 <|amethyst> TZer0:  thanks for the info, I can see the same users from the same IPs
13:13:53 <|amethyst> TZer0:  I am blocking all those accounts on CSZO, and adding a firewall rule too
13:14:53 <PleasingFungus> !tell dpeg What's up?
13:14:53 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:14:53 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
13:15:11 <PleasingFungus> !tell johnstein next year in Jerusalem!
13:15:11 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know.
13:18:28 <jefus> i'm curious about explore_wall_bias, specifically what a sensible range of values might be
13:18:51 <jefus> any thoughts or suggestions?
13:19:34 <PleasingFungus> !source explore_wall_bias
13:19:35 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/options.h#l351
13:19:52 <PleasingFungus> v0v
13:21:46 <|amethyst> jefus:  the range of possible values is 0 to 1000
13:22:00 <jefus> ah ok, that's a start :)
13:23:41 <|amethyst> it makes squares count as  (explore_wall_bias * (4 - #of orthogonally adjacent walls))  squares further away
13:24:40 <PleasingFungus> fr: negative wall bias
13:24:44 <|amethyst> and also affects squares with items (for greedy travel) too for some reason, by making them count as having 1 adjacent wall
13:24:48 <wheals> PleasingFungus: what was your question about shops
13:25:14 <PleasingFungus> i was trying to look into 9318/10330 and was trying to figure out where items in shops got added to your stash tracker in the first place
13:25:18 <|amethyst> relevant code is in travel.cc
13:25:31 <|amethyst> (the 0 to 1000 range is in initfile.cc where it sets the option)
13:25:34 <wheals> oh yeah THAT get_shop
13:25:35 <PleasingFungus> closest i got was finding a place they weren't added to your stash tracker
13:25:52 <dpeg_> PleasingFungus: was just curious where you are :)
13:25:52 <PleasingFungus> get_shop() seems to add the existence of a shop to your tracker, but not the actual items?
13:25:58 <PleasingFungus> dpeg_: california.
13:26:04 <PleasingFungus> represent!
13:26:09 <wheals> hmmmm
13:26:14 <jefus> |amethyst, i did notice that re: greedy travel but i didn't look much past
13:26:17 <jefus> initfile, thanks
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13:27:06 <PleasingFungus> i guess honestly i don't need to know where they're added; assuming they're added to m_shops, the key thing would just be to remove them from that when gozag closes them down
13:27:17 <PleasingFungus> and then figure out a way to reproduce the bug(s) to make sure they're fixed
13:27:34 <wheals> StashTrack.get_shop(shop.pos) = ShopInfo(shop);
13:28:52 <PleasingFungus> ahh
13:28:57 <PleasingFungus> i must have read past that a few times
13:28:59 <PleasingFungus> nice
13:29:58 <wheals> it's not super clear that get_shop can be used as a setter
13:30:45 <PleasingFungus> would be clearer if it used a pointer instead of a reference
13:31:31 <wheals> unfortunately there's currently no way to tell if something is a gozag shop or not without an excursion
13:31:45 <wheals> but the info could be added to ShopInfo (with some save trickery required)
13:31:57 <|amethyst> re the method, I would call it  shop() instead of get_shop()
13:32:37 <|amethyst> I think returning a pointer would be misleading, since that implies it might return NULL
13:32:52 <PleasingFungus> ah, right, since the shop 'closing' might happen as a dact for offlevel shops, but would still be in your tracker until then unless you accounted for that
13:32:55 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: yeah that's the problem
13:32:56 <|amethyst> unless it is changed to do that, in which case you'd need another method to add the shop... which wouldn't be terrible
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13:35:37 <|amethyst> I guess "shop_at" is probably a better name than simply "shop"
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13:36:40 <|amethyst> perhaps   ShopInfo *LevelStashes::get_shop(const coord_def &c)   which returns NULL if it wasn't found
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13:37:24 <|amethyst> and  shop_at(c) { if (ShopInfo *shop = get_shop(c)) return *shop;  else { code to insert and return m_shops.back(); }
13:37:24 <wheals> id also like to point out that Le_Nerd has reported 4 gozag bugs without realizing it's not spelled "Gozaq"
13:37:25 <Piginabag_> Yara's will auto-target self if you're contaminated and allow you to cast it without a prompt, lol
13:37:48 <Piginabag_> I just blew myself up and gave myself frailty because I thought it would target an ensorcerly-hibernated orc
13:38:09 <PleasingFungus> oh, it should definitely prompt
13:38:10 <PleasingFungus> hm
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13:38:36 <PleasingFungus> i'm too asleep to fix it right this second but it's now the top of my TODO.
13:38:56 <PleasingFungus> however, that's really funny
13:39:05 <PleasingFungus> so there's ups and down
13:39:16 <Piginabag_> hilarious deaths are a hot commodity
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13:39:24 <PleasingFungus> !lg Piginabag
13:39:25 <Sequell> 3813. Piginabag the Skirmisher (L3 FeWn), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2016-04-10 19:43:25, with 44 points after 1208 turns and 0:10:34.
13:39:28 <PleasingFungus> :(
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13:40:16 <PleasingFungus> wheals: also very good
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13:48:54 <Yermak> I seem to remember there was a bug fix with Ru's Sacrifice Courage, but can't find it. Was there any?
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13:49:17 <PleasingFungus> yes
13:49:53 <PleasingFungus> %git 425e25b4c59cb8757ab2a53869bde9bc1c360d44
13:49:53 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1588-g425e25b: Make Horror apply a penalty to slaying instead of a bonus 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/425e25b4c59c
13:50:08 <Yermak> Thank you very much
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13:50:24 <PleasingFungus> np
13:51:06 <Yermak> Does this retrofix versions other than trunk?
13:51:24 <PleasingFungus> i don't think it's been backported to 0.17, though i could be wrong.
13:51:46 <PleasingFungus> update: it was not backported.
13:53:40 <Yermak> Thanks, gonna exploit it then (:
13:54:08 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 blocked the accounts and IP on CSZO and CAO and sent a message to the user on Tavern
13:54:08 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
13:54:20 <PleasingFungus> lol
13:54:28 <PleasingFungus> is this what I get for helping players out???
13:55:00 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 (blocked accounts by changing the password, and IP with   /sbin/iptables -I INPUT 4 -p tcp --src EVIL.IP.ADDR.HERE -j DROP  )
13:55:01 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
13:55:29 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 (err, you'd probably want '1' instead of '4' unless you already have several iptables rules)
13:55:30 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
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14:04:29 <Piginabag_> are.. you.. telling me that sac courage has been applying a slaying BONUS rather than penalty this entire time?
14:04:58 <PleasingFungus> no.
14:05:00 <PleasingFungus> it was a damage bonus
14:05:07 <PleasingFungus> (:
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14:14:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  btw, is it intentional that wand of acid does the extra 4d5 damage to players, on top of what the zap structure says?
14:14:49 <PleasingFungus> is this splash_with_acid or s/t?
14:14:53 <|amethyst> yeah
14:15:16 <PleasingFungus> it wasn't something I was thinking about when i implemented the wand, but tbh I wasn't really thinking about enemy use at all
14:15:21 <PleasingFungus> with iceblast/acid
14:15:29 <Cheibriados> Adder on D:1 without having visited D:2!!! 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10355 by RoGGa
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14:16:15 <wheals> !!!
14:16:42 <PleasingFungus> it came down the stairs, right?
14:17:23 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder s=avg(turn)
14:17:24 <Sequell> ERROR:  aggregate functions are not allowed in GROUP BY
14:17:28 <PleasingFungus> oop
14:17:31 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder x=avg(turn)
14:17:32 <Sequell> 7379 games for * (recent d:1 killer=adder): avg(turn)=853.67
14:17:38 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent d:1 killer=adder x=min(turn)
14:17:39 <Sequell> 7379 games for * (recent d:1 killer=adder): min(turn)=17
14:17:48 <geekosaur> up, one hopes, but they will spawn if you've gained a couple xl
14:18:23 <|amethyst> well
14:18:38 <|amethyst> on D:1 it won't spawn a random OOD before turn 700
14:18:40 <PleasingFungus> haha, and he belatedly posts the version number. helping!
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14:35:09 <|amethyst> oh great
14:35:32 <|amethyst> so I informed a user of a ban (for streak-breaking) and I get the response "no problem ill be back"
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14:37:44 <PleasingFungus> hahah
14:37:53 <PleasingFungus> hey, no hard feelings, right?
14:38:12 <|amethyst> Reported
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14:40:44 <|amethyst> 2016-04-11 18:38:03,921 INFO: #31846 Socket opened from ip 171.25.193.77 (fd148, compression: on).
14:40:47 <|amethyst> 2016-04-11 18:39:30,887 INFO: #31846 Registered user BannedForever.
14:40:53 <PleasingFungus> um
14:40:55 <PleasingFungus> subtle
14:41:04 <|amethyst> (that's a tor exit node
14:41:04 <|amethyst> )
14:41:07 <PleasingFungus> hahahah
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15:44:56 <Piginabag_> shadow imps are basically invisible in late dungeon, they're the exact same color as the floor
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15:47:10 <namelastname112> ^
15:47:15 <namelastname112> i agree
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16:57:04 <gammafunk> !lg * killer=prince_ribbit_the_blink_frog
16:57:05 <Sequell> 4. oooop the Nimble (L6 FeTm of Dithmenos), slain by Prince Ribbit the blink frog on D:7 on 2015-03-06 19:23:03, with 464 points after 8927 turns and 0:13:06.
16:57:12 <gammafunk> good polymorph
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16:58:47 <gammafunk> !lg * killer=sigmund_the_human
16:58:48 <Sequell> 6. Unano the Skirmisher (L4 DrMo), blasted by Sigmund the human (puff of flame) on D:3 on 2013-04-22 06:37:21, with 194 points after 2565 turns and 0:17:16.
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17:14:14 <Lasty> You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@.
17:14:17 <Lasty> Seems legit.
17:17:03 <amalloy> Lasty: that's been reported a number of times. you can be the hero who fixes it
17:22:13 <Lasty> amalloy: woo!
17:22:26 <Lasty> !learn add lasty_to_do[1 You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@.
17:22:27 <Sequell> lasty to do[1/7]: You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@.
17:22:32 <Lasty> I just assumed it was new
17:22:37 <Lasty> and thus something recently caused
17:24:14 <gammafunk> sadly, the player is nothing new...
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17:25:58 <amalloy> ?/@player_only@
17:25:59 <Sequell> Matching entries (1): lasty_to_do[1]: You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@.
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17:40:36 <|amethyst> Oh wow
17:40:47 <|amethyst> so that player whom was banned
17:41:06 <|amethyst> just went and created a bunch more streak-breaking accounts
17:41:17 <|amethyst> "none of these would have happened if we'd just not gone overboard and banned someone over a trivial prank. use it as motivation to stop making a big deal over something so small, or improve the database (i cant believe this couldn't be reversed? get on fixing it!)."
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17:42:06 <|amethyst> the streaks broken are mondargo, glaas, gurmil, elmdor
17:42:20 <|amethyst> and the first one that started this mess is hypersmh
17:42:45 <regret-index> it's your fault I'm smashing this window with a hammer, these windows should be more solid
17:43:09 <Sizzell> Webtiles server stopped.
17:43:10 <Sizzell> Slobodan (L12 HaHu)  (D:11)
17:43:10 <Sizzell> halcyon (L5 DsIE)  (D:4)
17:43:11 <Sizzell> neongrey (L18 GrFi)  (Snake:1)
17:43:11 <Sizzell> Prakerore (L10 HOFi)  (D:8)
17:43:13 <Sizzell> chukamok (L14 MuWz)  (Lair:8)
17:43:16 <Sizzell> espais (L5 SpEn)  (D:3)
17:43:18 <Sizzell> Thalamas (L27 MiFi)  (Dis:2)
17:43:20 <Sizzell> Disposable (L11 TrMo)  (Lair:6)
17:43:23 <Sizzell> Matticus (L14 HOFi)  (Lair:8)
17:43:25 <Sizzell> chokobitch (L15 MiGl)  (Orc:2)
17:43:27 <Sizzell> Raderak (L3 DsGl)  (D:2)
17:43:30 <Sizzell> exaltech (L6 GrFi)  (D:4)
17:43:32 <Sizzell> Pinechild (L11 DsGl)  (D:11)
17:43:34 <Sizzell> Zalbag (L11 MfVM)  (D:10)
17:43:37 <Sizzell> Shard1697 (L1 HuBe)  (D:1)
17:43:40 <Sizzell> Phaedo (L13 MfIE)  (Lair:4)
17:43:42 <Sizzell> tbh1313 (L18 MiBe)  (WizLab)
17:43:44 <Sizzell> findtopher (L5 MiFi)  (D:3)
17:43:46 <Sizzell> Datul (L14 TeSu)  (Lair:8)
17:43:49 <Sizzell> Rembrandt (L6 DsFi)  (D:3)
17:43:52 <Sizzell> Sharkman1231 (L17 HuAK)  (Spider:1)
17:43:54 <Sizzell> HowlingFantods (L5 HEAK)  (D:3)
17:43:57 <Sizzell> TheProfessor (L16 GrFE)  (Elf:1)
17:43:59 <Sizzell> Grantopolo (L6 HEAE)  (D:4)
17:44:02 <Sizzell> 2ustice (L8 HuFi)  (D:6)
17:44:04 <Sizzell> Kaishin (L13 OpTm)  (Orc:2)
17:44:06 <Sizzell> doctordoom (L10 MuMo)  (D:10)
17:44:09 <Sizzell> shinino (L10 GrFi)  (D:9)
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17:44:11 <Sizzell> Cheibrodos (L27 KoTm)  (Slime:3)
17:44:14 <Sizzell> kamikashin (L5 FoFi)  (D:4)
17:44:15 <Sizzell> Charmandara (L17 DrFE)  (Swamp:4)
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17:45:06 <gammafunk> Hrm, I wonder what kind of irc flood avoidance sizzell and sequell have
17:45:22 <gammafunk> seems to be rate limiting its messages
17:45:55 <gammafunk> I should look at freenode's policies about that as well
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17:53:43 <|amethyst> !lg mondargo s=src
17:53:44 <Sequell> No games for mondargo.
17:53:49 <|amethyst> !lg modargo s=src
17:53:50 <Sequell> 377 games for modargo: 375x cao, cue, lld
17:54:01 <|amethyst> !lg glaas s=src
17:54:01 <Sequell> 31 games for glaas: 16x cszo, 13x cbro, cue, lld
17:54:04 <|amethyst> !lg gurmil s=src
17:54:05 <Sequell> 103 games for gurmil: 82x cao, 19x cszo, cue, lld
17:54:06 <gammafunk> elmdor will be sad to hear about his streak
17:54:08 <|amethyst> !lg elmdor s=src
17:54:09 <Sequell> 1364 games for elmdor: 1361x cszo, cue, lld, cbro
17:55:54 <gammafunk> oh wow, that was Dreemurr?
17:55:54 <|amethyst> FR:  we stop accepting new account requests until we have single sign-on
17:56:01 <|amethyst> As Dreamurr says:
17:56:05 <|amethyst> It's also easily avoidable by making accounts linked server wide, or by said players registering on all the servers like zzxc and i have. Food for thought.
17:56:07 <gammafunk> that's unfortunate
17:56:22 <|amethyst> s/Dreamurr/Dreemurr/
17:56:51 <|amethyst> Also, I have no intentions of doing anything else with scoring
17:57:09 <|amethyst> if it goes down or drops games again, someone else with an account on CAO will need to fix it
17:57:21 <|amethyst> I am tired of dealing with this shit
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17:58:51 <PleasingFungus> :(
17:58:52 <gammafunk> yeah, I don't blame you, and thanks for everything you've done
17:58:56 <PleasingFungus> do not burn yourself out on crawl, yeah
17:58:59 <PleasingFungus> it's not worth it
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18:05:40 <greensnark> !tell |amethyst Sorry about the scoring mess, I'll take a look one of these weekends, but realistically it's going to take a while :(
18:05:41 <Sequell> greensnark: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
18:05:41 <Sequell> greensnark: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
18:06:26 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1745-gffa9a88 (34)
18:06:55 <|amethyst> greensnark:  I got the immediate problem fixed
18:07:12 <greensnark> For the logfiles without versions, I think some logfiles had mangled lines like that
18:07:15 <greensnark> !lg * v=
18:07:16 <Sequell> No games for * (v=).
18:07:19 <greensnark> !lm * v=
18:07:23 <|amethyst> greensnark:  I had it drop lines without a v=
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18:07:26 <greensnark> Ah
18:07:32 <greensnark> Cool, thanks :)
18:07:33 <|amethyst> greensnark:  since there was already code to drop lines with a too-old v=
18:07:46 <|amethyst> greensnark:  and that code was what caused the most recent failure
18:08:28 <greensnark> It's a wonder it worked this long :D
18:08:34 <|amethyst> greensnark:  there is still the underlying problem that we commit the logfile offsets before we have actually committed the logfile lines to the db
18:08:49 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * v=
18:09:22 <|amethyst> greensnark:  which is what causes games to go missing in the first place (if scoring.py dies in between the commits)
18:09:22 <greensnark> Yeah, should just be a matter of updating the logfile offset in the same transaction, but I have to refamiliarize myself with the code
18:09:28 <greensnark> And maybe write a few tests this time around :P
18:09:43 <greensnark> Since I was very naughty when hacking up the original :P
18:12:34 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 same person did the same thing to modargo, glaas, gurmil, and elmdor
18:12:35 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
18:13:26 <greensnark> I guess Sequell needs a blacklist of games too then
18:13:35 <greensnark> Oh well, one of these decades
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18:18:20 <PleasingFungus> oh, dear
18:18:22 <PleasingFungus> hm
18:18:25 <PleasingFungus> just saw cszo...
18:18:27 <PleasingFungus> :(
18:18:48 <gammafunk> well there's cao, cbro
18:19:07 <gammafunk> and there have been offers to start new servers in the past, should we get low on US availability
18:19:07 <PleasingFungus> they're both pretty laggy
18:19:17 <gammafunk> are they? I've played on cbro with no problems
18:19:19 <gammafunk> not so much cao
18:19:23 <PleasingFungus> cbro gets laggy if any number of players join it
18:19:36 <nikheizen> CAO webtiles is laggy, CAO console is fine
18:19:37 <PleasingFungus> during tournaments or if e.g. cszo players move over
18:19:49 <PleasingFungus> it can't really handle a significant load. which is fine normally!
18:19:52 <gammafunk> heh, at this point I don't think we'll have a tourney for the next release
18:19:56 <PleasingFungus> wow
18:20:15 <gammafunk> maybe someone will step up to run it
18:20:28 <gammafunk> but yeah you make a good point, not sure how our servers will fare
18:20:33 <gammafunk> even if we did
18:20:58 <amalloy> i've had some lag on cao console, but usually it's fine
18:21:01 <PleasingFungus> Man, you've been really negative lately.
18:21:18 <amalloy> honestly it could be my own local network issues
18:22:27 <gammafunk> yeah I've not had any issues with my games on cbro, but I think I've only won...two?
18:22:30 <gammafunk> !lg . cbro won
18:22:31 <Sequell> 2. gammafunk the Pioneer (L27 HaAr of Pakellas), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-11-29 06:22:12, with 2038005 points after 85465 turns and 8:36:41.
18:22:33 <gammafunk> yes
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18:23:09 <gammafunk> I'm not being "really negative", simply realistic, it takes effort to run these things, and someone has to step up to do it
18:23:31 <gammafunk> Absolutely if someone wants to put effort/energy into running a new server and/or the tourney, it can happen
18:23:34 <PleasingFungus> Hasn't that historically been elliptic?
18:23:41 <gammafunk> he's really busy these days
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18:25:40 <PleasingFungus> Hrm.
18:26:03 <PleasingFungus> It might be reasonable to try to solicit help from the community.
18:26:19 <PleasingFungus> Put out a post on the blog, forums, whatever.
18:26:40 <gammafunk> It might, although it entails working with someone who has trust, and the tourney has been run from cszo, so not sure how |amethyst feels about that
18:27:15 <|amethyst> tournament scripts can still run on cszo
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18:27:36 <|amethyst> I'm keeping the server around for the forseeable future for milestones, logfiles, etc
18:27:44 <|amethyst> and elliptic and other still have accounts
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18:28:26 <|amethyst> I do think adding a new server will only make the problem worse
18:28:56 <|amethyst> since there's one more server that everyone has to register an account on, lest the Dreemurrs of the world decide to fuck up their records
18:29:07 <gammafunk> I see what you mean, but there's a question of whether scoring is more important than people just being able to play
18:29:20 <gammafunk> Scoring certainly is a significant part of online play though
18:29:23 <PleasingFungus> I would say it's emphatically not.
18:29:38 <gammafunk> Right, most people don't pay too much attention to it
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18:29:54 <|amethyst> how would the tournament work then?
18:29:55 <nikheizen> PF: You think scoring is not an important part of online play?
18:30:03 <gammafunk> oh yeah, tournament wouldn't work
18:30:04 <PleasingFungus> I would say it is dramatically less important than play.
18:30:05 <|amethyst> if you don't do scoring etc for tournaments
18:30:19 <PleasingFungus> I mean, our last big scoring crisis was before a tournament. And then the tournament happened, and it was fine.
18:30:54 <PleasingFungus> Not saying that's guaranteed every time
18:31:19 <PleasingFungus> but I mean - the idea with tournaments is basically having a bunch of people trying to get together and play at the same time and have fun
18:31:36 <PleasingFungus> the final scoring does not really matter very much, except maybe for like... the ~20 people in the top three teams
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18:31:48 <nikheizen> There are only a few reasons to play online as I see it: 1) record-keeping and stats, 2) get help while playing from other players, 3) join in a community event like a tourney, 4) bragging about your scores and streaks
18:32:02 <|amethyst> and there are people out there who want to do "trivial pranks" when they think other people are having too much fun
18:32:08 <PleasingFungus> Sure.
18:32:09 <|amethyst> it's not just the scoring griefers
18:32:25 <PleasingFungus> nikheizen: IMO, griefers don't meaningfully mess with any of those
18:32:27 <|amethyst> also the people who join webtiles chat and spam or say outrageously offensive things
18:32:27 <nikheizen> i think a lot of people are in for 4) and this stunt messes with all except 2
18:32:28 <PleasingFungus> easy to filter them out
18:32:37 <PleasingFungus> well, except 3, maybe
18:32:54 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: yes. people are mostly good, but there is always the awful minority.
18:33:04 <nikheizen> yeah but you say scoring is not important to online play. It absolutely is.
18:33:12 <PleasingFungus> That is not what I said.
18:33:18 <|amethyst> I certainly got a lot of complaints when scoring wasn't updating
18:33:36 <|amethyst> Dreemurr wrote:
18:33:37 <|amethyst> if this is really coming together finally im impressed, i thought for sure we'd hit the full month milestone because (it seemed) noone gave a shit to fix it.
18:33:47 <PleasingFungus> can you stop quoting the idiot?
18:33:54 <nikheizen> <PleasingFungus> I would say it is dramatically less important than play.
18:33:56 <PleasingFungus> he's an idiot. we know that. please stop placing any weight on his opinions.
18:34:25 <PleasingFungus> i don't go around quoting 4chan at you!
18:34:37 <|amethyst> how about   WalkerBoh:  He's actually lying, he's just going to keep making a new excuse every few days to keep stringing you along. It's a social experiment on gullibility.
18:34:48 <PleasingFungus> That's a joke.
18:34:55 <|amethyst> well, it sure was fucking funny
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18:34:59 <PleasingFungus> Man.
18:35:11 <gammafunk> I don't get why you think raging against the machine is helpful, PleasingFungus
18:35:15 <PleasingFungus> ?
18:36:36 <nikheizen> I feel like |amethyst is upset about something.
18:36:37 <regret-index> the machine being "most of the dedicated crawl communities are irrepairably toxic"
18:36:55 <PleasingFungus> regret-index: your attitude, likewise :P
18:37:09 <regret-index> I have been poisoned for a long time now.
18:37:17 <PleasingFungus> yes, you old world-weary soul, you!
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18:38:17 <PleasingFungus> Wow, I'm driving everyone away. Is it the smell?
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18:39:06 <gammafunk> Well I think we've gotten into an "argument state" and it's not helping
18:39:24 <gammafunk> But wrt crawl's infrastructure, it has a bunch of problems and without neil it's going to have more
18:39:29 <PleasingFungus> Yeah.
18:39:48 <PleasingFungus> I don't think we need to count neil out necessarily. He's gotten in bad moods before, since he is, fundamentally, a human being.
18:40:11 <PleasingFungus> But agreed that losing him would be quite bad.
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18:40:34 <PleasingFungus> It seems like a game that is as popular as crawl shouldn't wither away and die for reasons as silly as this.
18:41:01 <nikheizen> Now you are the one who is being overdramatic.
18:41:22 <PleasingFungus> Hm. I don't mean to come off that way.
18:41:26 <gammafunk> Well it's not, and I think it might be more practical to talk in terms of what we can actually maintain and what we can't
18:41:29 <nikheizen> "wither away and die" whew
18:41:40 <PleasingFungus> But gammafunk was just talking about the end of the tournaments that have been going on for the last, what, five years? six, seven?
18:41:46 <PleasingFungus> That would be a huge blow to the community, I think.
18:42:04 <gammafunk> Well missing one tourney would not be the end of the world
18:42:06 <nikheizen> I think he just said "no tournament for the next release".
18:42:13 <PleasingFungus> Well, when would we have a tournament again?
18:42:17 <PleasingFungus> There's no path toward it.
18:42:50 <nikheizen> Is there a planned date for the 0.18 release, I figured it was going to be "soon."
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18:42:52 <gammafunk> PF I think you're more trying to start arguments here than solve problems. Seriously I think we need to figure out what we can do for this release and what we can't
18:43:00 <PleasingFungus> My feeling is that we need to look for fresh blood.
18:43:05 <PleasingFungus> Like I said a moment ago.
18:43:18 <PleasingFungus> Post on the forums, on the blog, reddit, wherever.
18:43:43 <PleasingFungus> 'Looking for people who are interested in helping and shaping a large, active community'
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18:43:58 <PleasingFungus> Building infrastructure etc
18:44:01 <gammafunk> Sounds like something that will come to fruition after the next release (if we want to maintain that date)
18:44:15 <PleasingFungus> Oh, SSO certainly isn't happening by the release.
18:44:31 <PleasingFungus> nikheizen: Code freeze is in a week, release probably about two weeks after. No exact date.
18:45:06 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: But something like running the tournament is something that I think we could plausibly recruit for.
18:45:14 <PleasingFungus> I don't think it's any more problematic than the last few tournaments have been.
18:46:19 <nikheizen> That's not a lot of time to scramble some infrastructure together, but if you do that, I hope it works out.
18:47:13 <PleasingFungus> I mean, the tournament wouldn't take too much. That's roughly the timeframe that we usually take to set up a tournament, afaik. I don't think there's anything special about this one in terms of infrastructure, just potentially in terms of devs.
18:47:42 <gammafunk> I think I can commit to making win package/deb packages but running the tourney I can't do this time
18:47:56 <gammafunk> You might want to ping elliptic to see what his actual situation is
18:48:41 <gammafunk> and win/deb packages can be done by anyone, certainly, but if someone wants to take over that, they need access to cdo and to know how to update it
18:48:57 <PleasingFungus> How are we doing mac releases these days? Is that geekosaur?
18:48:59 <Henzell> Ge0ff (L23 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4)
18:49:01 <gammafunk> yes
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18:50:03 <PleasingFungus> !tell elliptic What needs to be done for this coming tournament? I'm told you're busy these days, so I'm assuming one of us will have to take at least most of the work?
18:50:03 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let elliptic know.
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18:57:22 <Xenobreeder> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19665
18:57:58 <PleasingFungus> humans were never designed to communicate over the internet.
18:58:15 <gammafunk> I'm on the internet, and I'm pretty proud of that
18:58:21 <PleasingFungus> I'm Online
18:58:40 <PleasingFungus> But I mean, you would never have had all this frustration if people were just talking in person.
18:58:55 <PleasingFungus> Just get everyone in the crawl community into a bar, sort everything out. Simple.
18:59:06 <nikheizen> lol
18:59:21 <gammafunk> We'd all sit at our tables, passive-aggressively staring at each other
18:59:22 <wheals_> Bar Crawl: Stone Soup
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19:17:48 <Cheibriados> 03argonaut02 {wheals} 07* 0.18-a0-1746-gfa59832: Count defensive actions. 10(6 months ago, 12 files, 153+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa5983245acb
19:17:48 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1747-g18c4181: Cleanup code (|amethyst). 10(21 hours ago, 3 files, 14+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18c4181edb4f
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19:19:52 <wheals_> that closes PR #165
19:20:11 <wheals_> which was opened over 5 months ago
19:20:20 <wheals_> and is a redux of a mantis patch from even earlier
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19:27:23 <elliptic> !messages
19:27:23 <Sequell> (1/1) PleasingFungus said (37m 20s ago): What needs to be done for this coming tournament? I'm told you're busy these days, so I'm assuming one of us will have to take at least most of the work?
19:28:33 <chequers> what happened on cszo? hacking attempt?
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19:29:21 <elliptic> I should at least be able to handle running the scripts on CSZO during tourney itself, that part is not much work for me
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19:30:22 <gammafunk> chequers: neil got tired of dealing with bad elements from the community, a griefer most recently
19:30:29 <elliptic> the harder things are (a) coordinating with all 17 servers to make sure that they all have the appropriate things set up with the new version (milestone/logfiles, rcfiles)
19:30:53 <elliptic> and (b) coming up with new banners for the 17 new gods that got added (how many actually are in?)
19:31:14 <gammafunk> I think only Pak is even being considered
19:31:24 <gammafunk> not sure what was decided there, last I recall he might wait as well
19:31:37 <gammafunk> But I can help with contacting admins
19:31:45 <chequers> ah rip
19:31:50 <gammafunk> wrt server milestones
19:32:01 <amalloy> yeah i think the consensus is that pak isn't ready for 0.18
19:32:01 <elliptic> for (b) I can probably come up with something random myself without too much work, but if anyone wants to code a new banner themselves that would be cool too
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19:32:05 <chequers> fwiw, someone on CPO was talking about building a new scoring page system... so don't hold your breath but still...
19:32:20 <amalloy> and the other two aren't done
19:32:22 <elliptic> but if we don't have new gods then that is not an issue
19:34:13 <gammafunk> elliptic: that's good to hear, even with new gods we can certainly come up with a banner ourselves
19:34:20 <elliptic> anyway, basically the situation with me and the tourney scripts is that I am happy to supervise the actual running of the scripts and do minor things to keep them functional with new versions, but I'm not likely to feel motivated to do more than the minimum necessary to keep them functional
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19:41:16 <elliptic> (and I'd be happy if someone else more motivated took over at some point)
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19:42:41 <gammafunk> Yeah, I wasn't sure if you had time to even run the scripts, but glad to hear that you can
19:42:55 <gammafunk> We'll definitely mention tourneys if we get around to posting asking for help
19:43:00 <gammafunk> with servers/admin/etc
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19:43:34 <gammafunk> I'm too busy being the best MuSu I can...
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20:06:44 <namelastname112> &watch xenobreeder
20:06:45 <Sequell> $watch casual
20:06:45 <Lantell> No current CLAN game for casual.
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20:24:15 <gammafunk> heh, casual
20:24:25 <gammafunk> !nick xenobreeder
20:24:25 <Sequell> Mapping xenobreeder => casual cyanbird assault inquiry wingboner
20:24:25 <gammafunk> oh ok
20:25:01 <gammafunk> that probably doesn't work because xenobreeder isn't in the list?
20:25:21 <gammafunk> !lg name=xenobreeder
20:25:21 <Sequell> No games for gammafunk (name=xenobreeder).
20:25:26 <gammafunk> !lg * name=xenobreeder
20:25:26 <Sequell> No games for * (name=xenobreeder).
20:25:29 <gammafunk> oh n
20:25:30 <gammafunk> m
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20:27:04 <amalloy> !won gammafunk
20:27:06 <Sequell> gammafunk has won 48 times in 3666 games (1.31%): 2xOpTm 2xSpEn 1xCeAM 1xDDGl 1xDDHe 1xDEAs 1xDgWn 1xDrMo 1xDrNe 1xDsDK 1xDsNe 1xFeCK 1xFeCj 1xFoAK 1xGhEE 1xGhMo 1xGrDK 1xGrWn 1xHEFi 1xHEIE 1xHEWr 1xHOAs 1xHOFE 1xHaAM 1xHaAr 1xHaCj 1xHuSk 1xHuSu 1xKoAr 1xKoEn 1xKoHu 1xMfSk 1xMuGl 1xNaVM 1xOgAK 1xOgAr 1xOpDK 1xSpWr 1xTeAE 1xTrCK 1xTrHu 1xTrWr 1xVSFi 1xVSWz 1xVpIE 1xVpSu
20:27:11 <amalloy> almost there
20:29:36 <chequers> !hs gammafunk hesu
20:29:37 <Sequell> 1136. gammafunk the Demonologist (L22 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Vaults:2 (minmay_crypt_entry_simple_sparse) on 2014-08-26 10:34:32, with 661808 points after 36572 turns and 10:28:47.
20:29:38 <gammafunk> !lg devteamnp urune=15 turns<50000 s=name
20:29:39 <Sequell> 4 games for devteamnp (urune=15 turns<50000): 78291, rob, gammafunk, elliptic
20:29:44 <gammafunk> that's the only win condition
20:30:02 <chequers> !hs gammafunk
20:30:03 <Sequell> 3666. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43.
20:30:21 <chequers> !hs gammafunk  urune=15 turns<50000
20:30:22 <Sequell> 1. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34.
20:30:24 <gammafunk> honestly Sp of gozag though, would not really recommend
20:30:30 <gammafunk> it works but ug
20:31:03 <gammafunk> maybe amallow can show up in tonights stream and vote for the worst possible choice
20:31:09 <gammafunk> *amalloy
20:31:28 <gammafunk> !hs 78291
20:31:29 <Sequell> 6247. 78291 the Enchanter (L23 SpEn of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-08-01 20:12:34, with 33336361 points after 43553 turns and 3:53:59.
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20:31:41 <amalloy> i was recently so disappointed re 50k win
20:31:41 <gammafunk> spen^J speedrun, that's new
20:31:53 <amalloy> where i thought i had a game that was going to finish in under 50k
20:31:58 <amalloy> but turns aren't 10 auts
20:32:01 <gammafunk> haha
20:32:02 <gammafunk> chei?
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20:32:17 <amalloy> !lastgames . dd
20:32:19 <Sequell> Last 10 games for amalloy: L25 DDBe^Trog (winning), L27 DDEE^Makh (winning), L26 DDAs^Makh (winning), L23 DDAs^Makh (a reaper), L2 DDEE^ (a gnoll), L6 DDNe^ (Pikel), L6 DDEE^ (Duvessa), L1 DDTm^ (quitting), L5 DDWr^Makh (an orc wizard), L8 DDHe^Ely (a killer bee)
20:32:23 <amalloy> !lg . dd
20:32:24 <Sequell> 11. yollama the Executioner (L25 DDBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-03-23 19:18:39, with 1931190 points after 50403 turns and 9:24:46.
20:32:35 <chequers> ouch
20:32:35 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: I didn't think there was a consensus on pak? my impression was that mpa & elliptic didn't like him, and grunt did, and I didn't hear anyone else say anything really
20:32:35 <gammafunk> oh I see
20:32:36 <amalloy> the opposite of the chei problem, i thought
20:32:38 <PleasingFungus> wrt 0.18 readiness
20:32:56 <gammafunk> I recall MPA saying he didn't like the gifting situation specifically
20:32:56 <PleasingFungus> i'm tempted to argue in his favor
20:33:02 <chequers> PleasingFungus: i'm putting my hand up to run the tourney scripts, and I can do it from CPO as well
20:33:04 <PleasingFungus> I remember he said he didn't like "gifting gods"
20:33:14 <PleasingFungus> but pak is so much more than a gifting god.............
20:33:16 <PleasingFungus> .....................
20:33:19 <PleasingFungus> chequers: awesome!
20:33:25 <PleasingFungus> very glad to hear it
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20:33:38 <PleasingFungus> imo coordinate with the hyperbola?
20:33:40 <gammafunk> yeah elliptic even said that he could, but if chequers can that is probably better
20:34:14 <MarvinPA> i think the design (specifically the gifting, with evokables being a worse offender than other gifts) is not good or interesting
20:34:17 <gammafunk> was happy to run the scripts and make simple fixes for new versions, but didn't want to get into banner making or coordinating admin setup
20:35:13 <PleasingFungus> i'm not insanely excited about the gifting, but I feel like the mp conduct is very cool
20:35:36 <PleasingFungus> are you basing this on play or pure design? ugh, this sounds really condescending when I type it out but I do want to know
20:35:37 <gammafunk> From what I saw with the mana/!magic change, players get an absolute ton of !magic pots
20:35:46 <PleasingFungus> I haven't played since then
20:35:55 <PleasingFungus> so possibly that one was a Hypothetically Optimal Mistake
20:35:58 <PleasingFungus> like the evoker stacking thing
20:36:49 <gammafunk> yeah my pak games are before that change
20:36:57 <MarvinPA> and probably the balance isn't great as a result? i haven't really got time/inclination to play much recently so it's just from the design
20:37:22 <amalloy> i don't like the MP conduct. if you want to cast spells it's almost as obstructive as trog, and if you don't then it just makes your MP bar act like a proxy for your piety bar
20:37:32 <PleasingFungus> I like soft trog
20:37:39 <PleasingFungus> having played it with some limited casting
20:37:42 <PleasingFungus> (not gonna say that was optimal!)
20:37:46 <MarvinPA> and i've seen players whose opinion is generally sensible say that the balance isn't good (in terms of just gifting you a ton of really strong items and then making them stronger)
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20:38:03 <gammafunk> Yeah that is indeed what happens
20:38:17 <gammafunk> I think Grunt had some idea about limiting gifts further, but not sure
20:38:28 <amalloy> i think it *does* accomplish something grunt has mentioned as a goal: remind players that rods and wands are good
20:39:01 <PleasingFungus> haha
20:39:05 <PleasingFungus> mission accomplished!
20:39:29 <gammafunk> It does seem reasonable to put Pak on hold, although I only worry that no one will work on him
20:39:36 <gammafunk> I guess that's an issue either way!
20:40:29 <MarvinPA> my proposal for gifting was to have a small, fixed number of gifts (1 of each out of a number of evokable categories at increasing piety breakpoints, like "misc evoker with charges, hex wand, damage wand, xp evokable, rod")
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20:41:21 <gammafunk> right, so no gifting haste/hw
20:41:36 <gammafunk> and no 3+ rods
20:41:38 <MarvinPA> probably not something i'd get around to implementing especially soon but i could probably have a shot at it for post-0.18 if there'd be interest in changing it
20:41:39 <PleasingFungus> reasonable
20:41:40 <MarvinPA> yeah
20:41:45 <PleasingFungus> yeah, that sounds like a decent approach
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20:41:55 <PleasingFungus> what will the 0.18 headline feature be without pak?
20:42:00 <gammafunk> Theme wise it's one of the better ones, not to mention it has some absolutely breathtakingly good overflow altars
20:42:13 <PleasingFungus> you mean the ones designed by, uh...
20:42:14 <PleasingFungus> chequers, right?
20:42:17 <gammafunk> yes.
20:42:22 <PleasingFungus> (:
20:42:24 <gammafunk> hrm, a lot has changed though I guess not much "new" content
20:42:38 <PleasingFungus> probably shouldn't name it Less-Charming Crawl
20:42:54 <gammafunk> Ru whispers, "Less is More!"
20:43:05 <PleasingFungus> Crawl Light
20:43:14 <MarvinPA> amulet rework maybe? there's a whole bunch of relatively smaller stuff i guess, doesn't need to be one huge thing necessarily
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20:43:42 <gammafunk> "Something Over My Ammy"
20:43:47 <gammafunk> tentative release name template
20:44:29 <PleasingFungus> is this the new 'reserved clan names'
20:44:33 <PleasingFungus> or possibly the old one
20:44:42 <PleasingFungus> i'm too tired to make good jokes right now.
20:45:49 <chequers> gammafunk: you never merged them!!!
20:45:54 <chequers> they're sitting there, unloved
20:45:58 <chequers> unmerged
20:46:06 <gammafunk> ...they were just too good for such an imperfect game?
20:46:17 <gammafunk> I'll take a look at those though
20:46:33 <gammafunk> try to get a merge going tomorrow, so thx for reminder
20:46:45 <PleasingFungus> great session
20:46:47 <PleasingFungus> let's hug.
20:46:54 * gammafunk hugs himself
20:47:01 <PleasingFungus> rip
20:47:07 <chequers> lol tbh i think there's currently a compilation bug with them
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20:47:18 <chequers> after I made some changes based on regret-index feedback
20:47:30 <gammafunk> des errors?
20:47:43 <chequers> PleasingFungus: i'll get tourney scripts running on CPO with a fake tourney length as proof of concept this week
20:47:53 <amalloy> nice. first time seeing this one. it's yours, right, PleasingFungus? "The substance of the Abyss twists in disgust, and a gateway leading down appears!"
20:47:54 <PleasingFungus> sweet!
20:47:55 <chequers> gammafunk: yeah, think i broke tags on the variable-altar temple I added
20:48:16 <gammafunk> tags like to break things
20:48:21 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: my implementation, suggested by regret-index, who may have been in some way inspired by |amethyst?
20:48:29 <gammafunk> I got those damn down stairs too when all I wanted was the rune
20:48:30 <PleasingFungus> or maybe |amethyst just did an earlier implementation, I forget
20:48:34 <chequers> will poke later, the PR has been sitting for so long I'm not that fussed. If a freeze period is announce that will make me scramble to do the work
20:48:36 <amalloy> though in this case it came at a point when i no longer want to go any deeper
20:48:43 <PleasingFungus> ...the short answer was "yes"
20:48:45 <PleasingFungus> haha
20:48:47 <PleasingFungus> that's no fun!
20:49:09 <chequers> clearly shaft the player instead of just generating downstairs
20:49:33 <amalloy> what happens when stairs down would appear but you're on J:5? if the answer is "the rune just appears under you" i will take the stairs
20:49:45 <PleasingFungus> exits spawn, sorry
20:49:48 <amalloy> rip
20:50:01 <PleasingFungus> rune appears very fast in :5, iirc
20:50:01 <MarvinPA> oh i wanted to tweak that message maybe? imo it's a bit weird for the abyss to be disgusted
20:50:14 <gammafunk> haha
20:50:18 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: I remember you've shot down my abyss anthropomorphizations before
20:50:20 <PleasingFungus> (sp)
20:50:29 <PleasingFungus> back when I was rewriting god descriptions
20:50:35 <PleasingFungus> some people just don't appreciate my genius.
20:50:42 <gammafunk> Your tentacled monstrosity points to your large abomination, "You know, that thing is really gross!"
20:50:53 <chequers> wow. dcss-ca is version 1.2. That's like, six times better than DCSS
20:50:59 <MarvinPA> it just doesn't match my highly detailed vision of crawl's Important Lore! sorry :(
20:51:00 <chequers> https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca
20:51:26 <gammafunk> snark said he'll add that to sequell
20:51:29 <gammafunk> as a different game type
20:51:42 <chequers> i could make my scoring public for it then
20:52:13 <gammafunk> I guess, if you'd like to poke that thing
20:52:26 <gammafunk> That whole setup is just so problem-prone
20:52:54 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: it made a > when i was 3 tiles away from the rune. good joke
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20:53:11 <chequers> i am really impressed with the dcss-ca changes
20:53:37 <chequers> playable implementations of: xp tied to killing, kiting, curses, etc etc
20:53:44 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: time to leave. come back later. good times
20:53:57 <PleasingFungus> chequers: xp tied to killing???
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20:54:04 <MarvinPA> innovative
20:54:26 <chequers> i mean, monsters give 0 xp, there's !exp on each floor
20:54:39 <PleasingFungus> huh
20:54:40 <PleasingFungus> very sprint
20:54:44 <chequers> the anti-kiting implementation is pretty crazy but, still, a playable implementation
20:54:47 <MarvinPA> i think many of the fixes are bad but it's definitely interesting anyway
20:54:54 <PleasingFungus> ya
20:54:58 <chequers> +1
20:54:58 <PleasingFungus> impressive productivity
20:55:00 <PleasingFungus> i respect them
20:55:12 <amalloy> i do really like the idea of getting xp only from pressing >
20:55:23 <amalloy> i'd like to try one of those roguelikes sometime
20:55:39 <PleasingFungus> it'd be > o o o o, probably
20:55:46 <PleasingFungus> unless you mean a hypothetical variant
20:55:53 <PleasingFungus> chequers: what do they do with curses? I forget
20:55:59 <amalloy> i mean there are games like that which already exist
20:56:03 <gammafunk> my fork will be great, Sif willing
20:56:41 <MarvinPA> curses have varying strength (100-1000?) depending on depth, remove curse scrolls do -100 cursiness
20:56:56 <MarvinPA> and above a certain cursiness threshold, stuff acts like a mundane +0 item? something like that
20:57:14 <chequers> the readme is comprehensive PleasingFungus
20:57:25 <chequers> oh you can play moon trolls now
20:57:26 <PleasingFungus> i can't read
20:57:27 <chequers> gammafunk: time to sue
20:57:28 <PleasingFungus> !!!
20:57:31 <PleasingFungus> ok looking at readme
20:57:48 <chequers> start with higher hp than normal, but never gain hp with level increases. They can increase hp by training fighting or through items, but late game they will have much lower hp than normal.
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20:58:04 <PleasingFungus> neat idea
20:58:39 <gammafunk> Yeah none of the content sounds good, but anytime someone puts the effort into making it, someone will play it and have fun
20:58:45 <PleasingFungus> Reading a remove curse scroll reduces the curse level by a minimum of 100, scaling up with invocations and piety (whichever is greater).
20:58:55 <MarvinPA> oh wow yes i forgot about the invocations thing
20:59:30 <PleasingFungus> the design is weird, but there might be a seed of a good idea in their curse thing
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20:59:38 <PleasingFungus> god knows current curses aren't super great in most cases
20:59:44 <PleasingFungus> though they're at least not very painful
20:59:57 <PleasingFungus> what other changes did they make to the id game?
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21:00:26 <PleasingFungus> god, no level 27 cap? perverse
21:00:36 <chequers> Each rune has a specific curse associated with it which makes the game more challenging. Ascending with the orb with 8 runes is dramatically more difficult than ascending with 3, because of the additional 5 game altering curses. A 15 rune ascension would be nearly impossible on hard mode. Should be like a once a year event that someone actually pulls off a 15 rune ascension under this change in hard mode. Even in ea
21:00:57 <chequers> wow. the rune curses are intense
21:01:40 <PleasingFungus> is this the sort of thing where you don't actually want to grab the runes until you're ready to ascend
21:01:53 <PleasingFungus> i remember that was proposed before
21:01:56 <chequers> in vanilla crawl, yes
21:02:34 <PleasingFungus> do they do something with stairs or branches?
21:02:49 <PleasingFungus> i'm scrolling around but the changelog is huge
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21:03:13 <chequers> this is from FUTURE.md
21:03:41 <chequers> there's nothing suggested to fix your behaviour, I'm just suggesting jeremygurr is probably not afraid to implement something that does
21:03:53 <elliptic> PleasingFungus: fwiw I don't remember particularly disliking pakellas - I played one DD^Pak game and gave some feedback (and Grunt made at least one change in response to the feedback), and that's it
21:03:56 <PleasingFungus> i'm perfectly happy to steal any good ideas
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21:04:05 <PleasingFungus> elliptic: ah, sorry! I may have been conflating you with mpa for no reason
21:04:14 <PleasingFungus> I just remembered you agreeing with him like two months ago
21:04:19 <PleasingFungus> wrt gifting problems
21:05:23 <PleasingFungus> a lot of those rune effects are cool. iron and icy runes seem lame
21:05:27 <PleasingFungus> golden rune is funny
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21:05:47 <PleasingFungus> demonic rune is poorly-thought-out but tweakable
21:05:52 <elliptic> chequers: if you want to take over tourney stuff, that sounds good to me... let me know if you have any questions about running them!
21:06:00 <PleasingFungus> CanOfWorms: hey
21:06:02 <chequers> level 9 spells cost 40 points of mana
21:06:11 <CanOfWorms> ahoy
21:06:43 <PleasingFungus> do you want to make a tile
21:07:07 <CanOfWorms> of what
21:07:10 <PleasingFungus> chequers: wow, scroll of inversion sounds insanely nethack
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21:07:12 <PleasingFungus> CanOfWorms: howler monkey
21:07:20 <PleasingFungus> i love my tile but it probably should not be in a release version
21:07:35 <CanOfWorms> sure
21:07:39 <MarvinPA> oh hey, the dark rune curse idea is basically that ru sacrifice idea
21:07:39 <PleasingFungus> sweet
21:07:47 <MarvinPA> can just wait for it to be implemented there to see why it's bad :P
21:07:54 <PleasingFungus> hm
21:07:56 <CanOfWorms> sacrifice howler monkey
21:08:09 <PleasingFungus> if it's actual vision reduction
21:08:12 <PleasingFungus> it sounds like an anti-curse
21:08:23 <MarvinPA> i imagine that's not the aim
21:08:24 <PleasingFungus> yeah
21:08:53 <PleasingFungus> scroll of briars sounds like a cool effect
21:09:28 <chequers> yep there's definitely some nethack in the planned features
21:09:41 <chequers> I don't think the existing changes are very nethacky though
21:09:52 <PleasingFungus> also, 'ghost drops'
21:10:08 <PleasingFungus> artisanally crafted bones files
21:10:29 <PleasingFungus> ya idk. i'll probably try to steal some stuff from here at some point
21:10:29 <PleasingFungus> they certainly have a ton of ideas
21:10:44 <MarvinPA> super added lotsa stuff crawl
21:10:56 <PleasingFungus> A slime species and a fairy species would be nice. I would like an even 30 species. Any species needed beyond that should replace the most boring species.
21:10:59 <MarvinPA> or whatever order those words go in
21:11:08 <PleasingFungus> just shuffle 'em around, it's all good.
21:11:25 <MarvinPA> salsh'em
21:11:31 <chequers> they = he, it's just one person
21:11:47 <PleasingFungus> i thought there were two
21:11:53 <PleasingFungus> also singular they is legal in most states.
21:12:02 <chequers> nup
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21:12:12 <PleasingFungus> haha, we're probably gonna remove prayer before he does
21:12:13 <MarvinPA> it's just jeremygurr i think, yeah
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21:13:32 <MarvinPA> scroll of za warudo
21:13:40 <MarvinPA> oh it stops the player too
21:13:43 <PleasingFungus> i haven't gotten around to watching season 3
21:13:47 <PleasingFungus> i'm way behind
21:13:49 <PleasingFungus> so lazy
21:16:46 <PleasingFungus> was this the fork that had slow diagonal movement?
21:17:01 <chequers> still does
21:17:03 <n1> yup
21:17:06 <CanOfWorms> man I was going to do a fork of dcss except reflavored as jojo's bizarre adventure
21:17:09 <CanOfWorms> gods are stands
21:17:10 <chequers> add that to the anti-kiting variable speed control
21:17:18 <chequers> never know what speed you move at
21:18:33 <PleasingFungus> exciting
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21:19:31 <CanOfWorms> whoa, that circus animal fork has negative monster xp?
21:19:47 <PleasingFungus> many parameters
21:19:53 <PleasingFungus> design your own crawl
21:20:03 <CanOfWorms> have it... my way...???
21:20:06 <PleasingFungus> imo rename it to burger king crawl
21:20:09 <PleasingFungus> damn it, i'm too slow!!!
21:20:27 <PleasingFungus> if only i'd been typing orthogonally.....
21:20:52 <wheals_> frankrawl sinatra soup
21:21:03 <PleasingFungus> idgi
21:21:23 <wheals_> "my way"
21:21:36 <wheals_> it's not all that funny
21:21:43 <PleasingFungus> as opposed to my hilarious jokes
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21:25:30 <MarvinPA> inverted amplified acquirement "gives 12 copies of 1 random item"
21:25:41 <CanOfWorms> the flying hunger cost...!
21:26:27 <Lightli> what is prayer still used for
21:26:34 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: nethacrawl
21:26:40 <PleasingFungus> Lightli: fedhas.
21:26:44 <PleasingFungus> that's it, I think.
21:26:52 <PleasingFungus> and, uh, altars
21:27:01 <Lightli> removing it means removing the pray messages for Xom though
21:27:14 <PleasingFungus> c'est la vie
21:27:21 <PleasingFungus> ditto gozag
21:27:35 <CanOfWorms> but how will I join gods now...
21:27:45 <PleasingFungus> >, probably
21:27:54 <PleasingFungus> as with shops
21:27:55 <CanOfWorms> !!!
21:27:58 <PleasingFungus> ENTER THE ALTAR
21:28:06 <PleasingFungus> oh, or maybe <, if we want to theme it as going up stairs
21:28:06 <CanOfWorms> you crawl into the altercove
21:28:15 <CanOfWorms> you walk into the light.
21:28:16 <PleasingFungus> or both!!!
21:28:56 <CanOfWorms> oh, flying in circus animal actually gives a hunger rate worse than trolls
21:32:00 <Lightli> circus animal?
21:32:09 <Lightli> ??circus animal
21:32:09 <Sequell> circus animal[1/2]: https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca
21:32:12 <Lightli> oh
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21:33:00 <PleasingFungus> ??circus animal[2
21:33:00 <Sequell> circus animal[2/2]: http://crawl.homedns.org/crawl#lobby
21:35:56 <CanOfWorms> dang, magic dart with 200 spellpower
21:36:52 <CanOfWorms> now I want to play a decj just to see how insane that is...
21:36:57 <CanOfWorms> or maybe a tecj
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21:37:28 <PleasingFungus> it seems like the dev really hates higher-level spells
21:37:34 <PleasingFungus> that and the planned geometric spell costs
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21:39:55 <CanOfWorms> oh, tengu have +4 apt...
21:40:20 <CanOfWorms> hacj it is then
21:40:36 <CanOfWorms> haha, wow
21:40:42 <CanOfWorms> my hacj has 11 MP
21:41:14 <chequers> wow. who made http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots ?
21:41:16 <chequers> very cool
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21:42:30 <PleasingFungus> it's been around for a few years, was broken for a while and then someone fixed it
21:42:36 <PleasingFungus> that's my helpful infodump
21:42:53 <CanOfWorms> !apt ha
21:42:53 <Sequell> Ha: Fighting: -1, Short: 3!, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: -2, Polearms: -3*, Staves: -2, Slings: 4!, Bows: 2, Xbows: -1, Throw: 1!, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 2, Shields: 1, UC: -2*, Splcast: -3, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: 1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -4*, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 1, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 1!, HP: -1, MP: 0
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21:46:33 <bh> !seen rax
21:46:33 <Sequell> I last saw rax at Fri Mar 18 08:34:46 2016 UTC (3w 3d 17h 11m 46s ago) joining the channel.
21:51:42 <CanOfWorms> hmm
21:51:46 <CanOfWorms> ??howler monkey
21:51:46 <Sequell> howler monkey[1/1]: As fast as an adder, but pretty weak in melee. Most notable feature is a "spell" that acts like a scroll of noise on a breath timer...
21:52:04 <CanOfWorms> can howler monkeys come in packs?
21:52:48 <MarvinPA> i think they do
21:53:07 <MarvinPA> !source mon-place.cc
21:53:07 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc
21:54:47 <MarvinPA> i don't know the syntax for the new band stuff but they definitely have bands in some circumstances or other at least
21:55:06 <PleasingFungus> yes
21:55:09 <PleasingFungus> deeper than d:7, iirc
21:55:12 <PleasingFungus> or starting in d:7. one of those
21:55:25 <CanOfWorms> ah, I was wondering why I was only seeing solo monkeys
21:55:51 <CanOfWorms> also something feels funky with circus animal's spellpower, I have ## magic dart and am regularly dealing 8 damage
21:56:46 <MarvinPA> 50% chance for a band from d:6 onwards, if i'm reading it right?
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21:58:08 <bh> has anyone asked rax about fixing the score database to repair the griefer damage?
21:59:14 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: I never remember what absdepth indexes from
21:59:30 <MarvinPA> ah, me neither
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22:06:19 <CanOfWorms> how does circus animal have the new amulets, but not the inventory count display...
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22:07:05 <CanOfWorms> it should still have an inventory limit
22:07:25 <nikheizen> there is. It's 52+52
22:08:14 <rax> just saw bh's mail: short vrsion "happy to fix it but don't know how, don't have the time to figure out how immediately"
22:08:32 <rax> this is a thing we knew was possible but for years it was not a major problem and it is very sad that it has become one IMO :(
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22:09:26 <nikheizen> Well just fired up dcssca to check the inventory count thing and found a crash bug... maybe I should report it
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22:10:44 <nikheizen> CanOfWorms: It's feasible that the inventory count just didn't work well with the dual inventories and as such he snipped it for the time being.
22:11:00 <CaptainFruitcake> ah
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22:11:09 <x0_000> er
22:11:24 <x0_000> dang connection ghosts...
22:11:32 <x0_000> also noticed my hacj has mr+++ at xl 10
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22:12:08 <chequers> that's a Ha innate MR change iirc
22:12:08 <nikheizen> In DCSSCA?
22:12:24 <chequers> ya
22:12:33 <chequers> they also get some wild magic right
22:12:39 <nikheizen> yes
22:12:53 <nikheizen> i think they get all three levels
22:15:20 <CanOfWorms> yeah, I knew they had an MR boost
22:15:31 <CanOfWorms> but mr+++ at xl 10 is pretty intense
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22:19:38 <CanOfWorms> oh wow I just realized EH also has the spellpower limit removed
22:19:39 <chequers> 12 MR per XL
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22:19:51 <CanOfWorms> yeah that's pretty high
22:20:03 <nicolae-> you know what else is pretty high?
22:20:04 <chequers> for comparison vanilla max is 7 for Sp iirc
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22:26:34 <johnstein> hmm. looks like I missed most of the discussion earlier, but apparently cszo is taking a break from hosting crawl?
22:26:34 <Sequell> johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
22:26:50 <johnstein> cbro is fairly packed
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22:35:24 <bh> !seen tzer0
22:35:24 <Sequell> I last saw TZer0 at Mon Apr 11 08:17:39 2016 UTC (18h 17m 44s ago) saying 'going to check logs now' on ##crawl-dev.
22:36:19 <bh> !tell tzer0 if you delete the scorefiles associated with the griefed accounts, when scores get regenerated on akrasiac, the world should go back to normal
22:36:20 <Sequell> bh: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
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22:38:11 <Lightli> ??cszo
22:38:11 <Sequell> cszo[1/5]: Former crawl server.
22:38:18 <Lightli> what happened to cszo
22:38:30 <nicolae-> assholes, lightli. assholes happened.
22:38:34 <Lightli> oh
22:38:52 <bh> ??tzer0
22:38:52 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled tzer0 in my learndb.
22:39:23 <bh> what's the short name for the Japanese server at lazylife?
22:39:46 <wheals_> ??lld
22:39:46 <Sequell> lld[1/2]: Located in Japan. http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/
22:39:51 <bh> thanks wheals_
22:40:07 <wheals_> no relation to the linker ;)
22:40:11 <bh> oh, this shit should be easy to fix.
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22:40:34 <johnstein> wondering if the people who targeted cszo will start harassing cbro now
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22:41:05 <nikheizen> "people" and "targeted" are strong words
22:41:10 <CanOfWorms> oh, looks like the inventory counter was added in the newest version
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22:41:23 <johnstein> did stuff only happen today? in case I need to review the logs to know what happened and what had to be done to fix things
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22:42:30 <PleasingFungus> johnstein: it was one guy and I doubt he's gonna troll anyone else
22:42:41 <chequers> fr make orb halo full-los
22:42:41 <johnstein> oh ok.
22:42:51 <PleasingFungus> johnstein: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19665 :(
22:43:17 <chequers> "i'm sorry, but also i can't believe you banned me! you ran over my dog!"
22:43:50 <johnstein> also. I've run tourney scripts before (I actually run them all the time for my gaming community crawlers) so I can probably help out with tourney stuff as long as it's in May
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22:45:49 <bh> is d++ fluent in English?
22:46:19 <johnstein> ugh that thread. ugh. maybe it's time I upgrade cbro again.
22:46:29 <chequers> not fluent, but passable
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22:46:54 <bh> ok, I need to talk with tzer0 and d++ to get this fixed
22:47:03 <bh> it'll be a lot easier if they can give me shell access
22:47:30 <bh> the sledgehammer fix is just shitlisting their servers from the akrasiac score aggregator until we get a permanent solution
22:47:53 <bh> the nice solution is to delete a couple lines from the score files
22:48:54 <chequers> well, i think more servers than just those two have streakbreakers on them
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22:49:43 <chequers> i mentioned this before, but I think the scoring system has the ability to blacklist certain games and ignore them
22:49:50 <johnstein> do we have a page on the dev wiki on what it would take for single auth for all servers?
22:50:25 <bh> shit, chequers, you're right
22:54:44 <Ultraviolent4> while youre editing the scoring system, is it a related issue to have my missing game put in?
22:55:09 <chequers> not really
22:55:10 <CanOfWorms> I wonder how players are going to feel about a ghost with 14 damage magic darts
22:55:14 <Ultraviolent4> kk
22:55:52 <Floodkiller> question: when logfiles are sent to Akrasiac for scoreboard compiliation, do they (or can they) contain the email that is attached to each account's games?
22:56:20 <Floodkiller> emails*
22:56:20 <bh> no
22:56:22 <bh> v=0.15-a0:lv=0.1:tiles=1:name=dplusplus:race=Minotaur:cls=Fighter:char=MiFi:xl=3:sk=Armour:sklev=4:title=Covered:place=D::3:br=D:lvl=3:absdepth=3:hp=0:mhp=33:mmhp=33:str=21:int=5:dex=9:ac=7:ev=6:sh=19:start=20140401205629S:dur=285:turn=1284:aut=13245:kills=38:status=hasted:gold=126:goldfound=126:goldspent=0:sc=184:ktyp=mon:killer=Terence:killer_flags=unique:dam=4:sdam=4:tdam=4:kaux=a +0,+0 short sword:end=20140401233419S:killermap=uniq_terence
22:56:28 <bh> ^ that's what an entry looks like
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22:56:50 <Floodkiller> hmm
22:58:18 <chequers> you would have to take the username and the source server and look up the user database on that server
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23:05:17 <bh> chequers: there's a file called 'blacklist.txt', but I haven't tracked down where it gets processed yet...
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23:13:46 <bh> !lg stupidnub t=2282
23:13:46 <Sequell> Unknown field: t
23:13:59 <bh> !lg stupidnub spar
23:14:00 <Sequell> 2. stupidnub the Charlatan (L1 SpAr), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-08-02 05:52:26, with 9 points after 0 turns and 0:00:05.
23:14:03 <bh> !lg stupidnub spar -1
23:14:04 <Sequell> 2. stupidnub the Charlatan (L1 SpAr), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-08-02 05:52:26, with 9 points after 0 turns and 0:00:05.
23:14:05 <bh> !lg stupidnub spar -2
23:14:06 <Sequell> 1/2. stupidnub the Charlatan (L1 SpAr), blasted by an ogre-mage (bolt of lightning) on D:22 on 2009-08-02 05:52:18, with 106 points after 2282 turns and 0:10:17.
23:14:25 <chequers> bh: yeah, I don't think the code has really been used yet, it might not even be functional :(
23:14:43 <chequers> I'm not super familiar with the CAO setup, I was just reading the code for unrelated reasons a while ago
23:15:06 <bh> chequers: I *think* it works
23:15:24 <bh> there's one entry in blacklist for stupidnub, check out his games matrix http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/stupidnub.html
23:17:17 <chequers> what am i looking for
23:17:38 <bh> there's only one entry in SpAr
23:18:08 <chequers> hm, i see two
23:18:28 <chequers> the 1 in SpAr is the 'best character levels' table
23:18:32 <bh> oh
23:18:33 <bh> doh
23:18:41 <chequers> i do that all the time on scoring pages :)
23:20:12 <bh> there are a few ways of doing this all with different levels of lazy/dangerous
23:23:35 <chequers> editing the file to make the ktyp quitting might be the easiest
23:23:45 <chequers> er, that probably wouldn't work
23:24:19 <chequers> deleting the lines is problematic because all clients that use wget -c to download incremental updates will get junk data. sequell isn't the only consumer (though it's the main one)
23:25:09 <bh> ktyp=quit will still be a streakbreaker
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23:26:05 <chequers> yup, what i realised
23:26:46 <chequers> i'm going to go get tourney scoring working
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23:34:29 <ProzacElf> =O
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